17 Oct 2012 18:03:53
So finally the Rangers they say is still alive is to be officially liquidated. That must put to bed all the history nonsense. New club, new history.
43 and counting
SFA cannot strip titles from new sevco rangers as they have never played in the SPL As defined by Nimmo smith.
The titles MUST be taken from the EBT running historic rangers (founded 1872 and being liquidated). Green's Rangers have never run an illegal EBT scheme.
BDO been charged with continuing to recover funds for Creditors.
Question: In 5 months how much funds did D&P recover for Creditors? How much was paid to creditors and who got those funds?
The 5 SPL titles in question need a champion team declared. Otherwise Rangers have won in denying those titles to their opposition.
Those seasons were not null and void just because one club cheated.
The second place runners up deserve those titles.
Not to award the titles to the runners up will require very very good reasoning made public.
Old historical Rangers stripped to 49 and Celtic confirmed as 48. With new sevco Rangers never having played in the SPL ON ZERO.
I want them titles stripped but I do not want us to have them. We win ours fair and square.
17 Oct 2012 20:32:15
Celtic on 48 and counting,
Would it be 14 in a row , world record ?
Celtic have honestly won 14 in a row. Rangers cheating to try and catch Martin O'Neil and Gordon Strachan.
If the SPL do not correctly award the titles to Celtic then every fan of every club deserves their ticket monies back! For a non competition on those years.
Former Celtic players believe they won their SPL medals on those years only to be cheated by having the cards stacked against them through a club cheating.
The punishment should fit the crime. Stripping titles does not fit the crime....if Rangers are found guilty. Juventus were stripped of a title for match-fixing, Rangers didn't fix any matches.
Helicopter Sunday. Celtic were 1-0 up against Motherwell, the title was in the bag. Scott McDonald scored two goals in the last minutes of the game to end Celtic's chances of winning the league. Please tell me how Rangers' "cheating" was the key factor in winning the title on this day? Celtic lost the league.
Rangers also finished 3rd a few seasons later. So, by your claim Rangers were cheating, why would they cheat to finish 3rd?
TTG
Did someone in judgement not equate it to the same level as "match-fixing?
chasaboy
18 Oct 2012 12:53:07
TTG trhe very fact that you had players on th epark that you could have no way near afforded would suggest that the league would not have come down to "helicopter" Sunday. Its that simple.......
Your arrogance is astounding, Rangers have been cheating the British tax payer and the paying Scottish football fans for at least a decade.
18 Oct 2012 13:07:06
@TTG: The old Rangers may have their titles stripped, it is one of the 18 sanctions available to the SPL. If found guilty they will be punished due to failing to register players correctly, meaning they should never have been eligible to play.
Yes Celtic lost 2 late goals to Motherwell, but if Rangers hadn't been buying players they would never have been able to attract by giving them more money tax free, do you really think Rangers would have been able to take the league to the last game of the season?
With regards to finishing 3rd, that can only be put down to terrible scouting and player recruitment, poor managing and a strong Hearts team, you only need to look inwards as to why you "cheated your way to third" that season.
G93
Rangers could afford them though. They wouldn't have joined otherwise. Bob Malcolm, Stevie Smith, Chris Burke, Nacho Novo, Marvin Andrews etc were players Rangers couldn't afford? Spare me the Scheidt bud....
TTG
Alex McLeish, to my recollection hardly spent a penny on transfer fees. Alex Rae, Dado Prso, Marvin Andrews, Paolo Vanoli, Gregory Vign.al, Sotirios Kyriakos to name a few didn't require transfer fees. Rangers couldn't afford transfer fees at this time, yet beat Celtic to the league title. Celtic who had the likes of Petrov, Hartson, Sutton, Larsson, Agathe etc. Rangers didn't beat Celtic once during Helicopter Sunday season.
It's easy for you lot to say we won the league because we "cheated" but just be honest with yourselves, Celtic just weren't good enough, even with Hartson, Sutton, Petrov etc etc.
TTG {Ed007's Note - List all Rangers major signings as well TTG...including the list that are known to have been paid by EBT dual contract methods. You are comparing CFC star players to Rangers poorer players. Don't twist the facts to suit your point, you are sounding more and more like Scottish MSM now.}
Ed,
Compare both Helicopter Sunday teams and make your own mind up as to who had the best team. Everybody knows who the better team was that season, only that team didn't win the league. For people to say Rangers cheated to attract better quality of players than Celtic is garbage. The same Rangers team finished 3rd! Everybody knows fine well Rangers had a poor squad under McLeish. Winning the league had nothing to do with cheating.
TTG {Ed007's Note - How many of McLeish team were paid in that way? You seem infatuated with Helicopter Sunday, maybe that was the first time the league had been won purely by football with no cheating. You're making feeble excuses mate that we have all been through time and time again It swings between funny and boring, there is nothing in between, especially interesting.}
Ed,
Every league Rangers won was by football....
TTG {Ed007's Note - You keep believing that, we'll stick to the truth, or as you will probably know it 'All One Big Timmy Conspiracy'}
Thats the season the ref and linesman conjured up a penalty for nothing at tynecastle to gift gers the points.artybhoy
The rangers man above should stick to the facts. The crime was fielding ineligible players. The punishment for fielding an ineligible player is to have the match declared a 3-0 defeat. Juventus are an ita-lian team, thats an-oth-er cou-ntry. The rules are written and established and your ex-club were contracted to abide by them. They broke that contract and obtained prize money and other revenues by cheating. If the punishment truly fitted the crime this money would be redirected but they are bankrupt. No amount of smoke and mirrors will hide these simple, yet for some hard to grasp, facts.
Yorkiebhoy.
18 Oct 2012 20:19:16
TTG, so I see it is your turn to use the alphabet today. Please tell "POB" "NYTABOW" "BB" etc that for a small fee, wee Pat and I can get you access to much more. Or how about the Russian or Chinese alphabets, just place an order with us as we are both men of letters ( we both used to be postmen)
lol Timalloy
If you're looking for stats TTG try this.
All 11 starting players, all 7 subs and your Manager on helicopter Sunday had EBTs.
As a result your team consisted 100% of players where Rangers illegally evaded payment of income tax and failed to register the players full contractual terms with the SFA.
If Rangers had paid these players through PAYE they would have had to find several million pounds extra to do so.
This is money Rangers didn't have.
As such, they would not have been able to afford the majority of these players and would have had lesser quality players on smaller wages.
The result would have been that you would not have won the league.
However, the point is, you cheated, you cheated big style, in every game between 2001 and 2010.
Systematic financial doping on an industrial scale.
The fact you didn't win the league in some seasons is irrelevant. The point is, you were attempting to through illegal activities.
And before you come back with the lame old soundbite that the FTT hearing and SPL investigation have not made a decision yet. Take it as read, you will lose both cases and be recognised the world over as cheats.
And your cheating is no different than match fixing.
CHEATING ON THIS SCALE = LOSS OF TITLES.
Hang your head in shame.
K-Dot.
19 Oct 2012 19:25:12
@ TTG Rangers had a poor squad, but that squad would have been even poorer if EBTs hadn't have been misused. Players were receiving over half a million pounds over the duration of their contract they would not have had the scheme not been abused. Dado Prso received £1.9million, a Champions League quality player, do you not think this was a massive factor on him joining? Even Ostenstad received £390,00 from it, you couldn't even win through cheating 6 out of 11 years, one year you were even beaten by hearts. Face it, your team was morally corrupt and your new team is looking more and more like scam everyday with the lies and deceit.
G93