Celtic Banter Archive November 17 2013

 

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17 Nov 2013 22:37:06
No doubt new evidence will say Peter Lawell was behind it all . DH

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I think the Mob, as the Kennedy brothers had just vowed to come down hard on organised crime. {Ed007's Note - I don't think the Mob could have pulled it off themselves without some collusion with authorities.}

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I'm a Rangers fan and I had no problem with Lawell's comment. It was witty and said in a way that if the shoe was on the other foot I would have laughed my ass off at. His opinion isn't going to change that of most Rangers fans or Celtic fans who have their own views on the matter. I think people need to lighten up more than anything.

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17 Nov 2013 21:28:10
Alright Ed nearly in to my 4th hour of JFK docs on discovery although enjoyable, my head is fried as to who was behind it.its went from LHO acting alone to the CIA, the secret service and also Russia and Cuba! This one is about the mob killing him. What's your thoughts on it?

Briggs {Ed007's Note - I have recorded all the shows to watch. It's a complicated one Briggs (do you never go onto our www.talkconspiracy.co.uk site?). There are that many factors I doubt we will ever know the truth. As you know I am right into conspiracy theories etc and one of the interesting things I have been reading into lately is why future President (and ex-CIA operative) George W Bush was in Dallas that day. Have a read at these sites and see what you think: Never underestimate the powers of the Bush family.

www.tomflocco.com/fs/FbiMemoPhotoLinkBushJfk.htm

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/16/was-george-h-w-bush-involved-in-the-assassination-of-jfk/

Go on the talkconspiracy site, there are loads of people on there who will all be glad to talk discuss it with you and point you in different directions to differing opinions and sites full of facts, real and false. It's certainly a fascinating subject and you can while away hours reading up on things.}

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I think the accidentally shot by secret police theory, sounds most realistic with Oswald firing 1st 2 shots. Johnnybhoy

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Will do Ed sounds interesting. I have watched a few over the wknd and found them enjoyable.

Briggs {Ed007's Note - Ed033 who runs the conspiracy site is very knowledgeable on all that kind of stuff and some of the posters really look into things and report back what they find.}

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@1) yes I saw the programme two nights ago. An Australian retired murder detective postulated that it was a secret service agent firing a hollow tipped round from the AR15 rifle in the second car, when the car jolted. Bystanders heard the crack and smelled cordite.
The entry hole in jfk's head was just under 6mm, too small for the LHO rounds. But correct for the 5.56mm AR15. The exploding skull would not have happened with LHO rounds but with the secret service round. Case closed? Or was it deliberate in concert with LHO? Why didn't secret service come clean that it was an accident?

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I watched a show yesterday regarding the SS shooting the third round. The fact that 2 types of bullets were used and one of the casings in the depository was dinted and used as a 'plug'. This was all news to me and really opened my eyes, now I just want to know more. Might have to check out the conspiracy page myself!

Melb Bhoy

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I watched a show yesterday regarding the SS shooting the third round. The fact that 2 types of bullets were used and one of the casings in the depository was dinted and used as a 'plug'. This was all news to me and really opened my eyes, now I just want to know more. Might have to check out the conspiracy page myself!

Melb Bhoy

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Mafia & FBI for me - with the knowledge and consent of LBJ.

TomTheTim

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I think America love all the conspiracies, and they couldn't come out and say ss did it, imagine them coming out and saying we accidentally shot the president. Johnnybhoy

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The second shot probably would have killed him anyway.

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Free sign on for Alex J. Ed I have a free sign up for your eyes only. If you message me privately I will pass on. {Ed007's Note - I would have but you didn't leave me any contact details lol. You can mail me at Ed007@live.co.uk}

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18 Nov 2013 13:51:41
The end of the Oliver Stone movie "JFK" is very revealing, when they are sitting on the park bench in Washington pondering just who would have the clout to pull off an assassination like this and get away with it; the camera pans out showing you the gigantic obelisk in the background, take a bow "The Brotherhood" (again). pea

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A few months before he was killed JFK was being pressured to allow Israelis to have nuclear weapons. JFK said over my dead body.
One of the first actions of his successor was to quickly allow nuclear weapons silos in Israel. {Ed007's Note - You should also look into the history of the Federal Reserve and JFK's opposition to it.}

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I know all about the fed reserve, the rothschilds, their fronted banks, the establishment of Israel. The fates of those who opposed the fed reserve.

The decision makers who approved nuclear silos in Israel got paid fortunes by the Jewish banks running America.

Why is it the royal mint but the national debt? Why not the national mint and the royal debt? {Ed007's Note - It's all about making money for the elite 1%, the 13 Bloodlines of the Illuminati, 42 US presidents out of 43 being related. George Bush grandfather funding the Nazi's, Prince Philip openly being a Nazi in his youth (Greece my ar$e) and now accepted as the proverbial British stiff upper lip. It reeks and every street in the UK is reeking off long-dead imperialism.
It is all about control, of money, of oil, of wealth and more importantly the control over us.}

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The bush family financed sad dam, bin laden, but was Kennedy's old man not linked to hitler in some way too.jbhoy {Ed007's Note - There are countless public figures 'linked' to Hitler, remember he was the leader of one of the super-powers for a very long time, and had numerous meetings and photographs taken with British PM Neville Chamberlain. One of the main reasons the Duke of Windsor (the former Edward VIII) had to abdicate was because of his close relationship with Hitler's government. George VI was also sympathetic to Hitler which is no surprise considering the royal family are of German descent and changed their name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor during the First World War.
George VI and his wife, the late Queen Mother, had hoped to avoid war with Germany. The king even sent birthday greetings to Hitler weeks before Germany invaded Poland.
Once Winston Churchill became prime minister he insisted that members of a group called The Right Club should be arrested. Aristocrats like Lord Redesdale, Duke of Wellington, Duke of Westminster, Marquess of Graham, Lord Sempill, Earl of Galloway, etc. were allowed to go free. However, two members, Anna Wolkoff and Tyler Kent, were arrested and convicted for spying. Churchill had succeeded in breaking the group up though.
After the war the royal family did what it could to maintain the Nazi connection. Prince Michael married the daughter of Baron Gunther von Reibnitz, a Nazi Party member and an honorary member of the SS.
Elizabeth married Prince Philip. He came from a pro-fascist family. His brother-in-law, Prince Christoph of Hesse was a member of the SS. In fact, Elizabeth’s marriage to Philip caused problems and the government refused permission for several of his relatives to enter Britain and attend the wedding.
At the end of the war Andrew Blunt was sent to Germany on a secret mission for the Royal family. It is believed he was removing evidence that linked the royal family support for the Nazi government.
Other people who greatly benefited from their Nazi connections were Hugo Boss (who supplied German army uniforms), car manufacturers Mercedes. People like Hitler, Saddam, Gadaffi are only 'bogeymen' put in place by even higher powers to allow them to play their war-games. War is BIG business, and the people at the very top controlling it all don't care who wins or loses, they make billions and no matter what side succeeds people like the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers and the Bush family along with the other Bloodlines always come out the winners.
It's very interesting stuff to read up on if you are interested in it, obviously it's not everyone's cup of tea but as I said yesterday we run a site:

www.talkconspiracy.co.uk/

Where everyone is welcome, no matter the depth of your knowledge on any of the subjects.}

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JFK, the movie last night showed the head shot was from the front right knocking the victims head back and to the left. Real footage. The recent proposition that it came from the secret serviceman accidentally discharging the AR15 in the second car into JFKs skull just above the spine at the rear is clearly a nonsense. Highly improbable shot anyway.
It came from the picket fence on the grassy knoll.
The assertion that bullet two travelled in and out of two victims creating seven wounds, without distortion to the bullet is nonsense. Several bullets caused the multiple wounds.

But of course they've drove about on the moon on beach buggies and played golf up there too.

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Interesting on the royal family Nazi links, but I think they would have been keeping their options open. The Stuart line didn't die out and without the 'no catholics' rule the current queen would be something like 58th in line to the throne. The Stuart heir lives in Germany and his father was asked by Hitler to take the crown if Germany won, he refused. So the royals may have been trying to secure their position. By the way, jacobites claim the German guy as the true king and call him king Francis. He has never commented. {Ed007's Note - Franz Bonaventura Adalbert Maria Prinz von Bayern or His Royal Highness the Duke of Bavaria, is head of the Wittelsbach family, the former ruling family of the Kingdom of Bavaria. His great-grandfather Ludwig III was the last King of Bavaria before being deposed in 1918. The Royal family were far from just keeping their options open, they were/are of German descent and played a big part in Hitler's rise:

www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_blacknobil09.htm

www.express.co.uk/expressyourself/113232/The-Nazi-King

www.american_almanac.tripod.com/naziroot.htm

www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/royal_nazis.html

www.standard.co.uk/news/touchy-subject-of-royal-links-with-nazi-germany-7190292.html

www.sxolsout.org.uk/56.html

I'm not trying to brainwash you, it is only some interesting links to use as starting points if you are interested.}

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Had a wee swatch ed, not my cup o tea, but to add to conspiracies, my computer has been very slow since looking, maybe America going through my lesbo files? Jbhoy {Ed007's Note - Better them than the wife finding it!}

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17 Nov 2013 20:46:29
I hope lenny tries to bring young ryan gauld to paradise, heard Manchester United sent their top scout to watch him recently. I've seen the boy a few times this season and he really does look like the real deal, an article also stated dundee utd would be looking for around £5M, but surely lennon could use the old pals act with jackie and offer him cash and maybe some of our kids(that aren't going to make it). please please don't let another slip through our fingers,,,, maybe the scotch messi?, ., .kbarry

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I don't think we'll ever learn our lesson with Scottish talent Kbarry. We missed the boat with McCarthy, Fletcher, Russell and many others. Even Lee Wallace, for years I said we should've signed him due to our problems at LB. But we let Them take him!

HamiltonBhoy

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I agree with the point that the big clubs buying from within is a pretty solid plan. It has worked, largely, for years for Celtic and Rangers when they were up there. Celtic have had success in buying the likes of Scott Brown and Rangers likewise with Kris Boyd, just as two examples.

However, I think saying that you are letting them slip through your fingers is a bit arrogant. Celtic have no more right to these players than any other club in world football. I'm sure Celtic and Rangers would have loved Fletcher, McCarthy etc but who's to say they would have loved to sign for the Old Firm rather than moving to England as they did? There's no guarantee.

Gauld looks a real prospect, but as always the Scottish media put extra pressure on him, this "Scottish Messi" tag is ridiculous. Hopefully he doesn't start to believe his own hype and waste away, like Tony Watt seems to be doing and John Fleck did at Rangers.

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@2 ok, ., .kbarry

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@2 omr eff off back to your own page. I didn't mention your dead club and you say "old firm"? No such thing, mcarthy would never have joined your old club while they were alive and then you put scott brown in the same sentance as kris boyd ha ha ha, ., .kbarry

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Wow. You tell me to "eff off" because I make a perfectly valid point? How childish and embarrassing.

Rangers are alive and well, but even if that were not the case, I mentioned McCarthy and Fletcher, who both made the move south when Rangers were an SPL club and champions into the bargain. {Ed007's Note - Rangers are very, very far from being alive and well. Only a supporter of Scotland's newest club The Rangers/Sevco/Newclub would come out with such a ludicrous statement.}

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@ Ed007

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion Ed and I respect yours. As far as I am concerned though there will always be a Rangers that's my opinion, irrelevant of all the technicalities of it. {Ed007's Note - You can't pass an opinion off as fact though or just dismiss technicalities (facts) because they don't suit your agenda, especially when the technicalities themselves prove you are wrong.}

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@ Ed007

I'm not really wrong though, am I? I haven't once said Rangers weren't liquidated. I haven't once said Rangers are the exact same as they were before the liquidation process, because of course they aren't and I'm not afraid to admit that. So while we are talking about agendas, you and kbarry just asumed I was saying that to suit your own. What I did say was that Rangers are alive (there is a Rangers playing at Ibrox which is all that 95% of Rangers fans including myself care about) and that they are well (on the pitch, not off it, which I should have stated at the time) and that there will always be a Rangers which is true in my opinion. {Ed007's Note - So you accept that the Rangers you grew up supporting no longer exist and you have chosen to follow the bastardised tribute act? I doff my cap to you sir, as a sensible The Rangers/Sevco/Newclub supporter (who actually has a name as well!!!) you are welcome on here any time. More and more of your fellow supporters are saying the same now, the truth is starting to finally sink in.}

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@ Ed007

Yes, I do. The simple fact is that the changes that have come at Ibrox in recent times can not be ignored. I do however still love the club as I always did, and I do still view it as being Rangers. As long as there is a club playing in blue, playing at Ibrox with the Rangers crest on I will support said club regardless. That's what I meant when I said about technicalities.

Also, thank you for the welcome. I hope we can have some good debate and light-hearted banter. Despite kbarry's best efforts, I will not be "effing off" anytime soon lol.

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17 Nov 2013 17:25:32
Can anyone explain why we are playing a cup tie on December 1st? The cup always started for us in January.
I could understand the early date if we had a winter break but there is none this season.
It puts Celtic at a wee disadvantage as we have a big CL game the midweek before.
Also I see the "unbiased" computer, which we are always assured is totally random, has sent Celtic to Perth on Boxing Day and Inverness on 29th December, I am sure our fans will appreciate those days to travel, NOT, Timalloy

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17 Nov 2013 17:44:22
I think we started december last season as well m8 god knows why they've changed it but you know they'll have some super reason that benefits scottish football blah blah blah I might be wrong but was it not peterhead away we played

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17 Nov 2013 17:17:26
ED007: You heard any of this stuff about BDO? Rumour is that Sevco will have to distance themselves from the branding of the dead club. This may have legs as there seems to be a bit more talking about the issue at the moment. {Ed007's Note - It was always going to come to a head when BDO moved forward with the liquidation process. The fact that even some The Rangers/Sevco/Newclub fans are questioning it shows the 'gravity' of the situation for their new wee club.}

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At the very least they will have to declare themselves "REFORMED" and put their reformed date "2012" on the bottom centre of their football logo to differentiate it from old RFC.

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As far as i'm concerned they should have to change their badge, stars and date, ., .if a band like say talking heads "reform" with all original members then they are original talking heads. The club we are talking about here haven't reformed, they were liquidated. Like my canary(wee naka)died 2 years ago, I get another canary put it in naka's cage, but hey it ain't naka. Thedeadcantreform, ., .kbarry

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When u die u are a memory to the living world. U can't come back to life. Like kbarrys naka who btw sounded awesome kbarry god rest his soul he has new wings now, u can't just spring out the dirt and expect us to say yeah OK u are back. Its a great illusion over there atthe piggery as they got all rrangers fans to support this new club called the rangers and now they pretend to be the old huns. Illusion and delusion shal be the title on the badge if I had any friends with the kit manufacturing company to make it so. Who makes their kits now anyway? Aldi?

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Ed I've said this before, that the history angle is over played. Who really cares about Rangers history. When they were doing 9 in a row I don't think our history kept us good. And who cares what their history is they are in the 3rd tier of Scottish football.

However. What would happen to the crowds if the history was shown to be bogus. They can hardly make money selling their "5 star" tops as it is. Imagine if they had no stars and no RFC on the them.

If they had just kept McCoist's line that "As long as they play at Ibrox in Blue" he'll always think of them as rangers, then they would be fine. But I think they have pushed it two far

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17 Nov 2013 16:27:34
think the comment from pl will be interesting as msm not to critical as they know the truth and the response comes from a sevco spokesman un named as yet.
The sevco fans demanding action but silence from their board would suggest they are unsure how to proceed with this one.
1/if no protest then pl in the clear
2/ if protest do they risk a can of worms being opened

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The fuss regarding PL comments is only because of his position with Celtic. Can of worms indeed, we're all waiting with rods at the ready. The truth is out there. We just want to hear it.

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Why do we need to hear it fu*cn them

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17 Nov 2013 14:15:57
Our wee gaffer on goals on Sunday this morning. Thought he was on top form. Great laugh and had a wee dig at Caldwell lol. Hail hail Neil Lennon
ParadiseAndy

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17 Nov 2013 14:06:56
Really enjoyed Lenny's appearance on goals on Sunday this morning. He came across as friendly, confident and extremely erudite dispelling any propaganda peddled by both Sevco extremists and Scotland's parochial, narrow minded, single agenda media personnel.

Most significantly of all he was very fair and balanced with his well thought out comments. Sally take note of this professionalism. A very likeable guest and an appearance which any neutral would have enjoyed. His love of the famous Celtic family was evident and it is obvious he feels it is still a great honour to be the teams manager.

Well done Lenny, very proud of you

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Couldn't have put it better JD . It was a really enjoyable hour and a half . Also watched Big Sutty on Fantasy Football show and he was another credit to the hoops . Two top men . DH

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He was a credit to himself and Celtic.

JJ

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17 Nov 2013 09:36:35
Tom English . Read his piece this morn on lawell, what a bitter wee man.delighted the way lawell has brought this to light, and in the way he has done it.ruffled a few feathers? More like threw a bomb through the sfa window, this wee gag is the tin opener for that big fat can of worms.can't wait to see this thriller unfold .lenny pass the popcorn

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Where do you start with English? It would appear he could not wait to comment on the Peter Lawwell line.All Mr Lawwell has done is use an analogy to tell the truth, this being that the team playing out of ibrokes cannot be 140 years old. If he is wrong I look forward to the legal battle that Sevco will instigate, although they might need another charity match to pay for it.

English also stated that 'if it looks like a duck and it quacks it is probably a duck', in reference to the imposters currently playing out of ibrokes.With this is mind I have a fantastic offer for all Celtic fans.

I will be contacting Timalloy, as regulars will know he is a well established top level businessman, and will be starting TimJhedi airways. we will offer flights to Vegas to see ELVIS! That's right ELVIS! Because as English says 'if it walks like a duck etc, etc'. I do not see any legal problems with this claim.Not in Scotland anyway.

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17 Nov 2013 14:17:12
@Green Jhedi at the moment myself and my other business associate wee Pat are busy canvassing for a certain AGM coming up shortly. We are confident of winning enough votes to install Patrick on to the Sevco board.
As to the duck analogy it was thanks to the efforts of wee Pat that the hooped duck was put on sale at their club shop, I am told more tim merchandise will be available once wee Pat takes his seat.
Obviously the airline venture has certain appeal and we will both discuss it after the AGM. One idea mooted is to turn a certain property down Edmiston Drive into an Elvis shrine once the property becomes vacant, which should be soon.
Timalloy
PS please all refrain from any more jokes meantime as negotiations are at a sensitive stage and we cannot operate fully while laughing our faces off

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If it looks like a duck, if it sounds like a duck, if it walks like a duck, it's a duck!"

Very appropriate wisdom to aim at sevco New The Rankers. Duck season started last month. Sir Craig of the castle, erstwhile country gent extraordinaire owns a pair of purdeys.

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I find it funny that they say they are recognised by the football authorities, what ones would that be? certainly not UEFA or FIFA, ie: the ones that actually matter, must be referring to the people at Hampden

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Had some duck from the Chinese last Friday. Next Friday I'm getting the same again, but will ask not to pay as its the same duck. What dyou think they'll say? Makes as much sense as that charlatan who calls himself a journalist. The beano had more journalistic merit than anything that t0sspot ever wrote. Actually his target readership was much the same as the beano anyway.

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