Celtic Banter Archive October 16 2014

 

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16 Oct 2014 17:37:32
Read there lawell is getting a £400,000 bonus on top of his £520,000 a year wage lol what exactly is the bonus for?

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Probably just where the leftover cash from player sales is going. Some of it anyway.

In all seriousness, his targets will be financial, so he definitely deserves it (would rather it be based on success on the field but suppose there are other people more responsible for that). Am I not right in thinking he turned down his bonus in the past few years?

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17 Oct 2014 03:29:19
If it's success on the field jim then surely after the embarrassment of the cl last season and the 2 domestic cups we went out of at home early then it shouldn't have been that much

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I agree with Jim and PL's targets and objectives are probably financial.

I don't know what other CEO's get paid at Clubs similar to Celtic.

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That's what I'm saying Gunnie, his targets will be financial. His job is to obviously make a profit. How much profit is down to the board of directors and major shareholders. Under Reid we were told all profits would go back into the side, and clearly that has changed, or was never actually the case. Performance wise, ultimately it's up to RD and the coaching stafg, McGuiness and to a degree Park. It's been two steps forward one step back for quite a while in my opinion, at the minute though, the optomist tells me we're at the start of quite a big step forward.

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Reading about Lawell's enormous salary and bonus and the club meeting it's financial targets means heehaw to me.
The standards of football and players have dipped dramatically, while any sniff of a half decent player making a difference is punted at the first big offer The success of the club - in a one horse league - has been patchy, while our CL reputation evaporated.
We currently are enduring a mini-crisis where we honestly don't know if we will beat any opponent from one week to the next; while our team is half full of dubious loan deals and under-performing experienced Internationals, struggling to adapt.
But hey, Mr Lawell is doing his job.

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I’m optimistic we are going to start moving forward as well.

If PL wants to maintain his bonus (well who is his position wouldn’t) he will have to up his game, we have no CL money or players that can be sold for a decent amount – maybe VVD. I think his targets are financial so where will it be justified going forward from here?

I’ve no doubt to steady a business, he does a good job but football is a bit different and unhappy fans plus poor results are never good.

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Exactly Mrs. E, there are business men and football men. there's a bit of a grey area between the two.

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17 Oct 2014 15:57:18
Maybe PL was looking a big pay day before moving on so leaving the club with heehaw in player assets won't be a problem to that type of person.

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I cannot imagine that P L 's bonus is based on performance on the field. Surely PL is not a football man and he never claimed to be any more than a fan.

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{Ed007's Note - The figures released in October 2010 showed Peter Lawwell had waived part of his bonus entitlement 'because of the club’s disappointing results on the park the previous season and the difficult economic situation.'
Celtic’s published annual report sowed that Lawwell gave up his right to £38,071 of a £190,359 bonus for the previous financial year (ended 30th June 2010).
As well as waiving his entitlement to this part of his bonus completely, the annual report showed that Mr Lawwell, in another voluntary move, deferred payment of the remaining £152,288 to a 'future, as yet unspecified date'.
Including this £152,288 bonus, which Mr Lawwell will receive at some stage, the chief executive enjoyed a rise in his total remuneration for the year to June 30 to £753,193 from £738,987 in the prior 12 months.
I'm 99% positive he done the same the following year for the same reasons, basically he didn't take it if he never won the league. I'd say Pedro has a bonus (one of his) that is heavily dependant on success on the park. I don't see why this has all of a sudden became an issue, it has been the same for years with his wages/bonuses.
And to think some fans think it's wrong that some of us want CFC to become a Living Wage Employer and will say Pedro is doing a great job, his bonus would nearly cover the annual cost of paying all employees a living wage.
If Lawwell had been around in Brother Walfrid's day we would have been handing out soup to the poor but Pedro would have been charging to hire the bowl it was in.}

16 Oct 2014 15:12:14
ED007 I saw your posts yesterday about ST Pauli and the fair city of Hamburg, my friends and I also used to go there once or twice a year and like yourself did the tourist thing on the Reeperbahn.
What we found out (as I am sure you did too lol) was that the Reeperbahn is on a hill and the "prices" quoted were dearer at the top but got steadily cheaper as you made your way downhill. As did the "quality" of what was on offer.
One of my friends decided to take a nice lady up on her offer around about the middle, so the "goods" on offer were not the best but not the worst also. Sadly, in all his excitement everything was over sooner than he wanted but the lady still wanted full payment, he began arguing until 4 very tough looking Turkish men appeared all carrying knives, these fine chaps then chased my 2 other friends and myself as we were with him, we all ran uphill, then up another hill and another with more Turks now chasing us, we were exhausted but fearing for our lifes kept running untill we saw a bus pulling into a stop, thankfully we all piled on and the bus pulled away before our pursuers could get on, we started laughing as the silly Turks kept chasing the vehicle "why are they still chasing us they will never catch up with the bus going uphill" laughed my mate who had caused all this, at the top of the hill we learned the reason, it was the b. y TERMINUS and we all had to pile off and start running again.
Luckily for us all our antagonists had run out of steam and we made our escape into the Hamburg night.
The moral of this story is BOOK A TAXI (and have it waiting ) after you visit the Reeperbahn and secondly do not go with big Rab on these excursions.lol
Ps the football was good and the St Pauli fans were very friendly

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{Ed007's Note - You better pray Mrs T and the girls aren't still monitoring your internet usage with that story Timbo. Shame on you all trying to do a Sevco on the the lady though!}

16 Oct 2014 18:36:37
Ha ha ED007 I have changed all my passwords lol
As to these "adventures" I myself never partook of the local fare (I am too careful about my health and my money lol) but my buddies would get you into all manner of scrapes, especially Rab
No I am a "window shopper" only in Hamburg and Amsterdam.
But in my younger days (yes I have a long memory. ) I met many a lovely German, Dutch, French female on my sojourns around europe following Celtic some became life long friends. I think I told the story of going to Neuchatel (whisper the score Xamax 5 Celtic 1) but I got invited back to supper from a lovely Swiss family and their 2 daughters, the older one I became very fond of and still keep in touch (and yes Mrs T knows. )

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16 Oct 2014 15:03:50
Sold Wanyama, Ledley, Hooper, Wilson, etc n replaced them wi utter rubbish; out the LC in the 3rd round; out the SC in the 4th round; embarrassed in 5 of our 6 UCL Group Stage games including a 6-1 defeat to Barça at Camp Nou.

Yet Peter Lawwell walked away wi a salary of £524, 576; £400, 500 as a bonus; "benefits in kind" of £17, 312; n pension contributions of £57, 108 for the 2013-14 season?!

http://m.stv.tv/news/west-central/295966-celtic-chief-peter-lawwell-get-400k-bonus-on-top-of-520k-salary/

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Holy bejesus! How do we get rid of this fanatic? seriousna.

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16 Oct 2014 23:49:55
So the board decided that a fantastic performance by the team equated to a huge salary for PL - and here was I thinking that we were a football club with a proud tradition of winning!

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16 Oct 2014 14:59:14
So PL pocketed almost 1 million last year and around half of that was bonuses for 'meeting the objectives set out for him' I'm assuming those objectives are to make the club as much money as possible. No wonder he doesn't want to spend millions on players and wants to keep dropping the wages. Maybe his bonus scheme should be linked to the success of the team on the pitch rather than the balance sheet, we might buy some quality if that's the case. Markie

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Tried to post this at lunchtime.

He "earned" (and I use that term loosely) a salary of £524, 576, a bonus of £400, 500, "benefits in kind" (whatever that is?) of £17, 312 and pension contributions of £57, 108 for the 2013-14 season - totalling £999, 496 received that financial year?

Not bad, considering how bad our performance has been. Sold our best players, signed utter dross, no domestic cup Quarter Finals, 5 defeats in 6 UCL Group Stage games.

Add also the fact the club won't pay its employees the national living wage!

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I have to be realistic. We're targets set and met? If yes, pay the bonus. The board have to decide if his work is performance driven or cash flow driven and set targets accordingly. Every business has an annual budget and set targets. Are his bonuses related to sell-on fees as well? Not defending him but if you had targets set and you met them, would you expect the bonus?

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16 Oct 2014 18:18:31
If you look at remuneration in EPL , and I agree with Ed, that should not be the benchmark because that is on a hiding to nothing unless the chairmen down there get a grip, but very few Chief Execs earn more than the players. I know we will have a few players on £20k plus a week but the majority would be 10k mark, many even less. I think £1mill is an awful lot considering we only made 11.4 mill. Would love to know what his bonus triggers were? At a time when it's suggested RD is on around £250k and Lennon was on £350k (if that was true) paying £1mill for CE seems very generous?

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@ hamiltonbhoy: quite right: you 'earn' 30,000 per anum or 12 / an hour, etc: what transpires at the executive level is a form of theft from the organisation; specially those failing to make a living wage. And it translates DIRECTLY to our lack of quality on the park. This clown needs to go.

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