Celtic Banter Archive May 16 2017

 

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16 May 2017 22:32:15
Hearing the news about MD ed, to be honest I disappointed but also realistic to know we can't baulk at 20-30m or whatever it is.
I said all season that if LG played same games as MD then LG would score more goals for me.
Add to that LGs great delivery and he plays week in week out in for me in SPFL.
I know Europe is not LGs speciality but he can do a job with right players behind him and who knows we might just get another top quality striker or 2 with the money.
For me if BR let's MD go he has a plan in place.
Wud be ecstatic if Roberts was included also.

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{Ed007's Note - I don't think the plan would be sell Moussa and start with LG, I don't think Rodgers sees him as his main striker.}

17 May 2017 08:46:33
In the interview with Sutton and BR selling club came up and BR said that it's about morals if you know we are keeping a player on 10 grand a week and you know he could be getting 80 grand a week could he be planting the seed that we could be loosing MD?

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17 May 2017 08:53:25
Thing is Rayman Dembele seems like the more important player in regards to age ability and champions league, he showed he's a force against big teams even within this current Celtic squad. Griffiths hasn't shown that for me. I'm not doubting Griffiths is an excellent striker but Dembele is a more important player for us in my eyes.

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17 May 2017 10:27:11
Such a pity that BR doesn't really have complete faith in LG, but as one of LG defenders on here when he first came, and impressing on doubters here how much he knuckled down and improved, I can still see that BR will look even with Dembelle for another CL striker. I just hope that both of them for whatever reasons do not fly the coup this summer.

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17 May 2017 10:51:34
I agree completely Ken.

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16 May 2017 21:33:01
The road to Lisbon bhoys have reached Portsmouth

Looks like they're off to a flyer.

Still time to donate'to this great cause.

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17 May 2017 12:26:48
Thought they here cycling . island bhoy.

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16 May 2017 18:53:51
If indeed dembele to chelsea It would be great to see . christiansen . van ginkle. as part of any deal.

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16 May 2017 20:36:28
I think it's disappointing to hear about Dembele.
From what I read, he seems happy at the club, he hasn't asked for a move, and he's nowhere near the end of his contract, so why are the club agreeing a fee with Chelsea? .
Talking about replacements is all well and good, but there is no guarantee that they will settle as well as Dembele has.
We have improved a lot this season, why on earth do we want to go back a year and start over again?,
I hate to say it after such a good season, but it just looks like the club has reverted to type and can't resist the lure of money coming in.
If we want to improve long term, we have to start keeping our best players for more than a season, it's hard enough at the best of times to keep them happy, but to sell them when they don't want to leave is just madness in my opinion.

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{Ed007's Note - Celtic gave Dembele permission to talk to Chelsea in January. From that Chelsea would have got an idea of his demands to put together the package on offer, the only stumbling block which Chelsea told him in January is guaranteed game time. Celtic aren't forcing Dembele into anything here, the player would happily sign for Chelsea if they gave him the guarantees he's looking for and Celtic would get the fee they're looking for.}

16 May 2017 21:06:00
You only have to look at the lad batshiauy (think its spelled) for an example of game time and to be fair both of them are probably as good as each other. That would be an ideal swap for me.

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16 May 2017 21:24:57
I take it then ED, that the player asked to speak to Chelsea? . If that's the case then all this talk he's been coming out with about him being happy here, and wanting to improve himself was just nonsense, as at the time he asked to speak to Chelsea he'd only been here for 6 months.
In a way that's worse than the usual way that players behave as he's not only chasing the money, he also wants a guaranteed starting place as well.
Nice work if you can get it.

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{Ed007's Note - Nobody's said Dembele isn't happy here. Chelsea will have asked Celtic for permission to talk to the player - knowing the money Celtic were asking - and they'd have been stupid to say no. Dembele and his agent will know the figure that Celtic will sell and so do Chelsea, hence the fee being agreed. If the Club had refused the players agent could argue the Club is standing in the player's way which the manager has said we will never do.
Do you really think all these multi-million transfers deals happen in the space of a couple of weeks? Celtic will have held talks with players or their agents in January about moving here in the summer, sometimes it can be one summer to the next before some deals are finalised. How many times has David de Gea held talks with Madrid? Clubs like Chelsea have plans in place for players they will try and sign in 2/3 years time from all corners of the globe.}

16 May 2017 22:27:35
ED, I know these transfer deals take a long time, but the player had only been here for 6 months.
I'm just going on what you said, that basically if Chelsea offer him first team football he'll be off. I just think that for us to improve we need to hang on to our better players for more than a season.

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{Ed007's Note - Celtic were obviously happy with the money, maybe even surprised that Chelsea would pay it, and most clubs will allow a player to at least talk if their valuation is met, especially if it's a massive life changing move. Celtic will probably have told Dembele that if someone offers X amount they will let him talk to them so that the player doesn't feel the Club are pricing him out a move, we will have made a lot of promises to get Dembele to sign last summer.
Dembele wants to play football and doesn't want to move to Chelsea to sit on their bench or be loaned out just like he didn't want to move to Spurs and sit on their bench last summer or the January window before. He's telling Chelsea that he's not leaving Celtic to sit on their bench, the money isn't that important to him, he wants to play regularly at the highest level he can and if that means spending another year at Celtic then that's what he'll happily do.
Fair play to the lad that he's not just chasing money, if that was the case we'd have never signed him. Let's wait and see how things pan out over the summer, as I've said Chelsea have said Dembele needs to change his standpoint and Dembele isn't for being anything other than first choice strike wherever he's playing.
Perhaps with the things he's said he doesn't see Chelsea budging so he is thinking that he will still be here next season.}

16 May 2017 22:43:39
So ED is he or is he not leaving in the summer in your opinion?

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{Ed007's Note - I'll say imo it's 70/30 in our favour just now, it's only talks and I think Chelsea will have their eye on someone else to be their main striker so won't give Dembele the guarantees he's looking for.}

16 May 2017 23:23:22
As we all know Celtic won't let the cat out the bag on signings in or out so am not sure how and who brought this out?

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{Ed007's Note - It came from high up at the Chelsea end.}

16 May 2017 23:41:20
Oh well could be a goer then if it's coming from there then oh shit!

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16 May 2017 23:50:06
guys get a grip. We can not turn our noses up at 40 million quid. And to be fair if he can make it in that Chelsea side good luck to him. The bigger picture as a team looking forward is to continue growing and the money we would generate would pretty much ensure 10 in a row and qualifying for champions league group stages for the next umpteen years. I for one am not going to baulk at losing one amazing player with the knowledge that it secures my club with the ability to dominate our national game and grow our ability to compete at a European level.

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17 May 2017 07:37:45
Mmi I agree with all of that.

40m would be too much to turn down. I'd be surprised if it was that much though. Perhaps 20-25 would be my guess. Plus a player or two at a push.

Chelsea would be making a big gamble making Dembele their no.1 striker right now. So I'll ask yet again, what has changed with MD? Nothing. Unless he changes his standpoint on how much game time he's going to get or they turn his head with silly money, I think we might just see Moose stay with Chelsea having first option.

When we signed him I was excited. Not just because I thought we had an exciting player, but because I knew we had an asset. I'd like MD to stay, if he stays fit and continues at the rate he's been at then he could go on to score more than Henke, and that's worth more than twenty-odd million to me. However, even Henke had other ambitions, like Dembele probably does so cashing in is sensible. Within a few seasons, there could be another opportunity to sign a player like Dembele on the cheap and do a turn. And we could use the example of Dembele to lure them here. We could do it with Solanke the now. Any extra cash can be used to continue to sign good players, and assets, in other areas.

Providing the reinvestment is right, it's the best model we have to follow.

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17 May 2017 07:44:49
I don't think that they would pay 40m from just one seasons showing I think the player himself will decide I think that he will stay the summer and hopefully do well and then move on in January.

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16 May 2017 18:27:57
Just seeing that Man City are willing to let Nolito go this summer to Real Betis for around £3.4 million after only just signing him for £13.8 million last summer. They signed Patrick Roberts for around £11 million in 2015. Do you think they'd be willing to drop there price for Roberts as money doesn't seem to be a problem for them Ed?

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{Ed007's Note - City only paid £5 million to Fulham, the rest of the £11/12 million was in add-ons. I think they would be happy to recoup that and maybe cover anything owed to Fulham - don't worry it would be nothing like £6 or 7 million lol.
Let's be honest, Man City could free Paddy in the summer and it wouldn't even register in their accounts, getting Nolito off the wage bill is probably more important to them than the fee they get.}

16 May 2017 17:17:00
Guys a few of us made a tidy sum at start of season on Brendan coming to Celtic on the advice of our ED007.
He has now stated Chelsea have agreed fee for Moussa and only negotiations re game time is holding this up.
I looked at odds and have got 2/ 1 Dembele to Celtic before end of August transfer window, lump on this good information.

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{Ed007's Note - There's a long way to go before any deal is finalised, Tim and you know I hate the thought of people gambling on the back of what I say so if anyone is then please only gamble what you can afford to lose.}

16 May 2017 17:36:16
Good point ED007, I have always said same, do not gamble with money you need for other things, only bet your extra wee stash, NOT BILLS MONEY or any other money needed elsewhere.
But as you also know ED007 punters like me feed off information and I am able to afford to lose, but always BET SENSIBLY.

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16 May 2017 17:59:45
Ed007 i always bow to your superior knowledge and may have a wee dabble at the Chelsea link. I am surprised. Dembele back in trainig and talking about Celtic push for CL next year? I would have thought if a deal was close he wouldn't comment? I know he will go sometime but would like him for 1 more year. What do i know? Ed i did hear Fulham were in for Armstrong?

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{Ed007's Note - I was as surprised as anyone when Ed002 told me but I don't doubt her, the only hope we have is that both Chelsea and Dembele dig their heels in and the deal falls through.
I know that Everton, WBA and I'm sure it was Newcastle were sniffing around Armstrong so unless Fulham get promotion I think they're wasting their time. I'm hoping the lot of them are wasting their time and a new deal for Armstrong will be announced before the season ends. I really don't want Armstrong with only a year on his deal during a summer window.}

16 May 2017 18:08:15
Jeeze Tim you stealing money from Bill to gamble?

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16 May 2017 18:12:58
Timalloy scroll down and see Eds forecast for finishing positions for SPL next season. How do you put a bet like that on?

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16 May 2017 18:15:05
To be fair Ed you are usually on the money so let's see where Moussa ends up. Keep us all posted Ed.

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{Ed007's Note - Will do mate.}

16 May 2017 18:54:04
Or you can get 4/ 1 on him joining Chelsea this summer Timbo.

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16 May 2017 18:59:44
@Johnnymac the bets you are talking about probably have not been priced up yet. To my knowledge two ways to place such a bet are 1) physically go into your local bokkmakers shop write out slip and ask staff to call up and give you odds on it. 2) wait until just before start of season and whichever online bookie you are with, go to football then scroll down to SPFL the "top six" etc.

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16 May 2017 19:20:06
Cheers tim. Would get great odds on Rangers finishing 4th or 5th?

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16 May 2017 17:16:18
Interesting gossip from ED re;Moussa. I agree if true, and the source seems decent, BR will have to ok anything going forward. I posted the other day about Moussa maybe leaving but he assurance of game time may be a game changer. One thing is for sure, this is a confident young man with good people around him. So the deal will have to suit him.

With regards to us, how much? I posited that i did not think, at this moment he is a £25-30 player, but he will be. I would accept £20 M with add ons of course. That is a load of cash for BR to play with.

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16 May 2017 17:39:24
I'd want at least £40 million - assuming he goes to an EPL club, and looking at the amount of money they spend on absolute dross, e. g., Stones @ circa £50 million, I think we would be mad to accept anything less. Remember also that he's not nearing the end of his contract, so that gives us a lot more bargaining power.

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16 May 2017 18:06:54
Andy Moussa is never going to sell from Celtic for £40 mill. Chelsea can get a ready made striker for £50mill who has operated at the highest level for 3 or 4 years. I agree with greenjhedi, £20 to £25mill tops. To get top dollar players need to come from top leagues. Moussa is still a gamble for the top top teams.

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16 May 2017 18:10:09
Andy/ / i get your point but Stones and the rest play in the 'best league EVER'. Twenty plus add ons will do me mate.

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17 May 2017 08:11:00
I also get both your points, but I'm so frustrated at the fact we never realise the full value of players that we sell - for example, no on will convince me tha van Dykk has improved fourfold since he has been in England, but the transfer fees baing bandied about imply he has. I mean, win a throw-in the epl and suddenly you are a precocious talent worth multi millions of pounds. They are patronising beyond belief and I just think that as we are in a strong position regarding Dembele being only one year into his contract, and the fact that he genuinely seems happy here, we should be saying along the lines of "we listened but they fell short of our valuation". As has been said time and again, we don't have to sell, so let's not let them force out hand unless they pay too whack.
Also, I don't know how true it was, but allegedly, Celtic knocked back £34 million from Chelsea in January. If that was the case when the league was all but sewn up, why would sell for less with CL qualifiers now on the horizon?
Finally, off point, but Adrian Durham is a total ringpiece. Just had to get that off my chest!

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16 May 2017
New image uploaded to the
Celtic Player Sightings page entitled, Remember this?

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16 May 2017 15:15:58
Just think what we could have achieved had we signed Rossiter. The one that got away.

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16 May 2017 12:12:02
Madden is cup final ref.
Why don't they go the whole hog and just appoint Ian Paisley.

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{Ed007's Note - He's been dead 2 years and I doubt Satan or Thatcher would give him a day pass.}

16 May 2017 12:16:06
He'd fit in perfectly then with the zombies then.

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{Ed007's Note - I'm saying he died 2 years ago, it might have been his parent company.}

16 May 2017 12:20:34
Ha ha - excellent!
They could still wheel him out then!

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{Ed007's Note - His son is also called Ian and is an MP. If it's called Ian Paisley, looks like Ian Paisley and acts like Ian Paisley we can only assume using Zombie logic that it's the same Ian Paisley.}

16 May 2017 12:23:52
ian paisley jnr maybe.

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{Ed007's Note - IT'S THE SAME IAN PAISLEY, TIMMY!!!! #obsessed

16 May 2017 12:27:05
But he doesn't support the same club, even though he thinks he does.

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16 May 2017 12:41:47
It's THE Ian Paisley.

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{Ed007's Note - Did the old Ian Paisley get a vote on whether the new The International Ian Paisley could get in?}

16 May 2017 14:03:35
I think he just bought him for a quid.

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{Ed007's Note - :-D

16 May 2017 15:47:31
Plenty work to be done on the coffin.

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16 May 2017 09:22:57
Celtic to get an additional 1000 tickets for cup final shaggers canny take there whole allocation.

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16 May 2017 08:40:46
With it looking increasingly likely that Neil lennon will be getting the old band back together at Hibs, they could be in a really strong position to finish 2nd next season. If not I'd be hugely confident of them taking points off of our "title rivals" in Aberdeen and Rangers.

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16 May 2017 15:11:29
In Lennon they have the best manager in the league outwith us, and if they sign Ambrose the best defender apart from ours. I think they will have a really strong season and finish top 4, and while I don't see us racking up as many points as we have this season we could win the league by more points as they will take more points of our "challengers" than hamilton or Caley or whoever ends up going down. In Lenny we trust.

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{Ed007's Note - Next season's top 3 for me will be Celtic, Aberdeen and Hibs, with Hearts, TRIFC, St Johnstone and probably Dundee Utd fighting over the rest of the top 6 places.
I'll be gutted if Accies go down, they need to stay up and get wee Zico in as manager. My mate's just been promoted to their Head of Recruitment as well :(

16 May 2017 15:41:03
I like Hamilton for the way the club is run, it's an example to other teams. For me I always hope Killie go down, I just don't like them and they are always hanging on and offer nothing to the league. If Cathro gets his finger out then Hearts have the squad to finish third, but that's a big if. Lennon knows the game here inside out and that gives Hibs a huge advantage over Hearts and the Rangers.

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{Ed007's Note - I would LOVE to see Kilmarnock go down and stay down. I'd also like to see Motherwell go down but Accies need the Lanarkshire Derby for the gate receipts alone so that's a bit of a tough one.}

16 May 2017 18:10:55
Ed would love it if your premier league prediction is correct with Hibs, Aberdeen and Hearts finishing above Rangers. Would love it. Timmaloy what odds would we get on that forecast?

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{Ed007's Note - I didn't mean Hearts would finish above TRIFC, that must have been a Freudian slip lol But as IsleOGreen says above, Neil Lennon knows the Scottish game inside out and that will show through as the season goes on. He knows what it takes to win this league so if he doesn't finish above TRIFC it'll be a disappointment for Hibs, especially if TRIFC need to change manager around Christmas - if he lasts that long.}

 
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