Celtic Banter Archive February 16 2016

16 Feb 2016 17:30:40
Roberts first game at cappielow . the best player by a Mile was regan Hendry . just a pity some big epl club never paid 12 mill for him and loaned him to us. my point . we have some cracking young boys in that team but coming from England and a big fee young roberts will get first team games quicker because of the hype . nesbitt has been great in roberts position all season but we send him to Partick for experience. why? If we can play roberts here for experience why not one of our own .

16 Feb 2016 17:52:20
Totally agree, drb.

16 Feb 2016 18:21:43
Must be easy decision for Deila to play youngsters when there is a large element of the support baying for his blood.

16 Feb 2016 18:33:25
Rabmac . was devolopment and playing of youngsters not one of the main reasons rd was brought in?

16 Feb 2016 18:42:27
Sorry to disappoint but you would have to ask Lawwell that question.

I was merely saying that when you are under threat of losing your job you are probably more likely to stick with the best players you have available if you have to win every match.

16 Feb 2016 19:17:53
If rd can't handle a one horse race then we have no chance of progressing under him. also I never mentioned rd you brought him in. I was talking about young roberts and the clamour surrounding him . and the fact we have very good youngsters our selves getting sent out for experience while young roberts looks to be getting g the chance of experience with us rather then them.

16 Feb 2016 20:01:24
While you may not have mentioned him by name you did say you were annoyed that we were letting our own youngsters go out and loan and bringing in youngsters from another club. Firstly let me say that I share your view and that I would have preferred Nesbitt to stay and be given a chance.

So back to my point, who let the youngsters go on loan? One would assume this was Deilas decision. Based on that assumption you were having a dig at Deila by moaning that he let our youngsters go on loan.

My initial point was to try and highlight the likely reason Deila made this decision. If you doubt what I say then ask yourself this, if you had your dream job would you do the things likely to keep you in a job or would you take unnecessary risks knowing that if you messed up you would be sacked?

16 Feb 2016 20:11:21
This practice of loaning young players works for most big clubs now like it or not man city are bigger than us so they have given us one of their most promising players to develop just in the same way we have given thistle nesbitt to develop into a first team player! Why can't fans see this benefits everyone?

16 Feb 2016 20:23:00
Rabmac . why bring in the unnecessary risk of roberts then? And once again I never mentioned rd . so you would need to ask him if it was his decision alone. so you don't develop youth in case you get sacked . rd should then scrap all our teams other than the first team if the risk is too much bringing youngsters through?

16 Feb 2016 20:56:04
Steff how does developing players for others benifit us? .

16 Feb 2016 21:15:18
It benefits us in man city will send more players up here we had no complaints with denayer did we? But this pish how does it benefit us getting developing top youth players for better clubs for a season or two we get a talent that wouldn't otherwise be interested! Get used to it like it or not we are now a wee club!

16 Feb 2016 21:49:09
It appears to me that R D has very cleverly got the correct men in place, with many getting first team experience, for Celtic to have a first class very young team for next season . I suppose that is too slow, he should have managed it within weeks .
I am sure when Celtic are doing brilliantly next season with his very young squad R D will be very grateful for all the support he got from Celtic supporters in his first and second year .

16 Feb 2016 21:53:47
Do you want us to be man city or any rich clubs reserves/ developmemt team . all they do if successful is paper over the cracks and when they leave we are back to square one if they're pish like blackett then they just waste money.

16 Feb 2016 22:51:19
Chris, do you actually watch this team?, and if you do, are you awake during the match.
I've seen very little evidence of this exciting young team you speak of, and the vast majority of supporters who sit around me don't seem to be very impressed either judging by the comments that I hear.
You seem to want to blame the fans for Ronny's failings, but remember this.
Fans didn't appoint Ronny.
Fans don't buy the players.
Fans don't pick the team.
Fans don't decide on tactics.
Fans aren't responsible for motivating the team.
Fans don't earn the type of money that Ronny is paid to do all of the above.
All us fans can do is spend our hard earned cash in going to matches and cheering the team on, everything else is down to Ronny and the board.
It would be good if the fans were responsible for things on the park, I'm sure most fans would get rid of some of the under performing duds that the management at the club think are worthy to wear the jersey.

16 Feb 2016 23:00:24
Was having Denayer a good thing or a bad thing?, would it not have been better getting a competent centre back signed properly last year, rather bemoaning Denayer's departure this year and giving Ronnie a ready made excuse for some of the shocking defending this season.

16 Feb 2016 23:09:35
Steff88 what utter pish! We are now a wee club! Behave yirself! Aye the money's not there anymore and we have to go after players younger rather than more established players but to come out with we're a wee club is the biggest load of Shoite I've heard! I totally agree with deep river! Totally pointless having young talent of our own then bringing an 18 year old from another club! It was like buying Scott Allan when we had wee Henderson, who is a better player imo! Totally pointless! Yes in a way it's good to have this partnership with Man city, But to say we're a wee club is utter nonsense!

17 Feb 2016 07:18:56
Chris I may have picked you up wrong, but are you saying that after 2 years of being told rd has nothing to do with player purchases he has now to be praised on player purchases. And are you saying that a team that's has been very poor in most games this season is now on the turn thanks to a guy having a couple of good games for the under 21s. I think it will take a bit more than that to convince people that rd is the man for the job. It's nothing to do with the guy not being given time. It's to do with what people are watching and it isn't good enough and that is largely down to Ronnie.

17 Feb 2016 08:47:28
Hows it utter pish? In scotland we are a big club but compared to rest of europe we can't compete anymore with the big clubs.

17 Feb 2016 12:06:31
Yeh all true, but u said we're a wee club! Which we are not! Yes we're in a crap league and the team is nowhere near the quality of past teams! But to suggest our club is wee is way off IMO! Bournemouth are cash rich from EPL money, does that make them a big club or bigger than us? The answer is no. we're just in the unfortunate position of being stuck in a Shoite league that gives us no chance of competing with these teams!

16 Feb 2016 10:18:40
Going to be positive here and actually PRAISE Ronnie (yes from me that is hard lol) but if Ajer signs today along with long term loan deal of Roberts (another impressive display from the lad last night) add in the other younger player signings Allan, Christie, even GMS and Armstrong, also as ED007 says Janko and young Tierney, that is 8 good promising players to work with and gel into a decent squad with the more experienced players like Brown, Griffiths, Biton etc. if we can add a quality goalkeeper in the summer so much the better.
This is where Deila will have to earn his money, as he came with a good reputation of developing and improving good young players, can he get the best out of them all, only time will tell.

16 Feb 2016 11:37:35
He has already shown that he can develop players:

Tierney, Griffiths, Bitton, Denayer, VVD, Brown and Johnasen, have all improved under him. So I have no doubt that he can improve others if they adopt the right attitude.

16 Feb 2016 11:56:30
Well they're improving that much that we can't get past teams from Norway and Sweden. It might just be that other teams and other players improve also, and that other managers can get even more out their players! Or maybe it's simply because guys like Ambrose, Izzy, O'Connell, Armstong, Forrest, GMS, Mulgrew, even Cifti and Allan in their short time haven't improved or have even went backwards, which takes a bit of doing! You can make anything fit into any argument! It always comes back to bottom line and for me a plenty managers could do better! The boards problem is they're fecking useless and can't look any further than a Coyle or a Lennon, or a Mowbray or a Keane! I'd rather we spent Forrest and Mulgrews potential new contract on a top manager!

16 Feb 2016 12:15:15
He has already shown he does'nt like intoducing players into the team, if we keep Ronnie long enough, we'll end up with a good team because he'll be forced to use new players cause the rest will be pensioned off.

16 Feb 2016 12:56:58
You need to learn to differentiate between team and individual. When I made my point you may have noticed that I made no mention of the team. By making no mention of the team I thought it was fairly obvious that I was only discussing players. Surely you are not that mentally challenged that you failed to comprehend something so basic and so obvious?

16 Feb 2016 13:19:18
Aindoh, you'll have to explain that one matey as i'm really struggling to see how you got that conclusion.

16 Feb 2016 13:38:26
Forget the team then, what about all the players I mentioned that haven't improved! You're obsessed with a few players improving - that's what good coaches do! And to say Brown has improved, well that's a belter! He's not had one good game this year, and was appalling in all the European games in both seasons!

16 Feb 2016 13:43:10
And you'll have to explain that one to me Rab because what's the actual point of improving individuals but not the team? You're pro Ronny, which is totally cool, but you're saying you didn't mention the team, well he's in charge of the team! He's not a bloody personal trainer!

16 Feb 2016 13:51:04
I think aindoh is referring to Cole Allan Christie Richards Roberts ciftci who don't look like figuring very much this season but have all arrived this season.

16 Feb 2016 13:57:50
Why is everyone assuming Ajar is a great player? Let's wait and see. As for developing new young players Allen, and Christie don't get a game. Armstrong and GMS have not progressed at all. Johanson is having a very very poor season. So show me where Ronnie is developing these players. The football is rotten. No shape, big gaps between midfield and defence. Tierney doing well but no right back so we sign another midfielder. So we now big up Ajar before he kicks a ball!

{Ed007's Note - Scott Allan is 24 and GMS is 25, they're hardly young players.}

16 Feb 2016 14:46:10
That is only a matter of opinion on whether or not the other players you have mentioned have improved or not.

Out of the ones you mention the only one I would say definitely has not improved is Mulgrew. However, he has been injured for a large part of Deila's tenure at the club, not to mention the fact that he is not really suited to our current system.

With regards to O'Connell and Allan, I could not say whether or not they have improved as I have seen very little of them and the times I have seen them I have been unable to judge as I do not know what they were like previously.

With regards the other players, I would say all of them have improved physically and technically, even Ciftci. On the issue of Scott Brown, I thought he was outstanding last season and I have seen big improvements in his dribbling, passing and technical ability since Deila arrived.

The reason I did not mention the team is because I was giving an opinion regarding one of the topics brought up by the OP, i. e. player development and saw no reason to deviate.

If you want to continue to bang the drum about Deila's "inadequacies" then why don't you start another thread so people can have a rehashed conversation where they all make the same points again.

16 Feb 2016 15:30:25
Well said Rab.

16 Feb 2016 16:15:40
This is exactly how Deila builds and it will only get better and the cool thing is that its excacly the same progression he had in his last club, therefore i'm shure he will get it right.
Hopefully he will get his time to get it right, but i wouldn't be to surprised if he is gone if CL isn't secured for next season.
What i see from the players is though even when it dosnt work, they seem to have confidence in Deila.
So just wait for it, wiat for the team to play the fast, high pressure football you all want the team to play and also with positive results.

16 Feb 2016 16:50:29
If we wait for Ronny to get it right there's a fair chance he'll be playing to crowds more akin to Norway as 20 thousand people aren't turning up regularly just now. Many fans don't have confidence in his vision of a fast pressing game and I doubt the players do either.

16 Feb 2016 17:09:49
What if Ronnie just got lucky at Stromgodset?, he was in the right place at the right time, as a talented generation of players appeared, he made a few good buys on the transfer market, that turned out well, but was down to luck nothing else, now he's like the gambler who has won big at his first try, and convinced it was his gambling 'system' that was the reason for his win, proceeds to lose the shirt of his back, using up all his pennies following the 'system'

16 Feb 2016 17:31:12
Can't even muster a response to that. You win.

16 Feb 2016 17:58:08
I was the same Jim. So I'll paraphrase the famous (and often mis-attributed) golf quote:

The more you practice, the luckier you get.

16 Feb 2016 18:24:26
@Aindoh - There is a major difference between possibility and probability.

16 Feb 2016 18:27:57
Well let's hope Ronnie has more in common with Gary Player (or who ever made the quote) than the down at heel gambler.

16 Feb 2016 19:51:14
I'd probably agree with that, but there is a possibility that I would disagree, if I knew what you were talking about.

16 Feb 2016 21:57:48
There are too many people on Celtic forums who are either providing negative information for the SMSM or else are spreading the negative views from the SMSM . Why can Celtic supporters get behind the manager and players and encourage them and build their confidence . The main fault with our team is that many are playing with a lack of confidence. We hit a new low on Saturday with the team booed off at half time despite been a goal in front .

16 Feb 2016 22:10:38
@old bhoy.

Where they not booing the ref? Lustig took one off the ball from gardyne i think. i'm pretty sure that was the booing.

16 Feb 2016 07:40:49
I can't believe that so many professionals and paper experts are getting wound up and slating Messi's penalty kick. Disrespectful, unsporting, embarrassing.
What is all that about?
Football is an entertainment business and what he did certainly entertained Barcelona and neutral fans. If they were honest I bet some of the opposition players and fans were entertained.
If this counts as disrespectful then what does that say about putting 6 or 9 goals past the opposition?
I would love to see it at Parkhead. Mind you, the way we play sometimes it would be. Griffiths-Brown-Commons-Ambrose-Gordon-Ambrose-opposition player. goal against Celtic lol.

16 Feb 2016 15:23:19
I agree Tim. It entertained even the players on the pitch! Rooney did something similar from a corner (rolled the ball out the corner area and then appeared to walk away fron the ball as if he was allowing Giggs to take the corner) which showed intelligence and sneakiness that got the neutrals talking. It might be controversial in some people's eyes but not mine. It is an entertainment industry but try telling that to some of the boring as Fcuk English premier teams that play week in week out in some of the worst games I've ever seen.