Celtic Banter Archive July 15 2018

 

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15 Jul 2018 18:58:42
Imagine how good France would be with Dembele as their no9.

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15 Jul 2018 20:01:10
I reckon we should sign mbabe so we have 3 of the best young strikers in the world. ;)

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15 Jul 2018 20:49:00
I know . they might even win the world cup with him in the team.

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15 Jul 2018 22:11:21
One of my best players of the World Cup was Ivan Perisic. That boy fought really hard for Croatia.

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16 Jul 2018 08:02:28
Perisic is a cracking player! His stock will go through the roof after this WC.

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15 Jul 2018 18:03:17
Another Fantastic decision by VAR ashame for Croatia fantastic example of a small country with wonderfully technically gifted players.

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15 Jul 2018 18:31:53
I know the player didn't deliberately hand ball but there was a clear hand to ball so correct decision in my opinion.

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15 Jul 2018 18:59:53
Please tell me you are joking? Anyone who has played any level of football will know that is never a penalty. Total joke. Same as the decision for the free kick for the 1st goal. Red made a howler.

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15 Jul 2018 19:25:41
I don't think it was a penalty but it might have been given because it changed the direction of the ball.

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15 Jul 2018 20:05:24
I agree about the free kick as griezman dived but on the replay of the penalty you see the player pull his arm down towards the ball so it was hand to ball. However, as I said I don't think it was deliberate but the rule says hand to ball is a penalty and that is why it was given.

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15 Jul 2018 20:21:35
The rules say if there is a deliberate movement of ball to hand then it’s a penalty. He brings his arm down but not to handle the ball. Never a pen in a million years and if it went against us we would be ragin.

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15 Jul 2018 20:47:13
Never never never a pen. His are is going that way naturally. He had his eyes closed as well.

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15 Jul 2018 21:01:39
I didn’t think it was a pen and it was never a free kick in a million years. How it took the ref that length of time to make a decision is unreal he has to be certain of course but he even went back again to check.

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15 Jul 2018 21:05:02
I bet if you asked most refs they would have gave that as a penalty because the hand moved towards the ball.

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15 Jul 2018 21:24:29
Most refs are the wee boys last picked at football or never picked hence the reason they gets decisions wrong. They don’t make them from a players perspective, they make them from technicalities.

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15 Jul 2018 21:55:34
Yeah, but the hand changed the direction of the ball, and prevented a goal scoring opportunity, have they not changed the law in these circumstances, making it a penalty, leaving the ref with little choice, because if it was a deliberate hand ball, would it not have been a red card offence,?, .

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15 Jul 2018 22:03:54
interesting comments but imo his hand went down in direction of the ball and his palm was turned outwards. Had he kept a fist then maybe not a penalty but the flat palm changed the direction of the ball and I have to agree with refs decision.

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15 Jul 2018 23:46:32
That’s the problem, the final decision still lies with the referee, the VAR doesn’t make the decision it’s there to assist the referee, so you can’t blsme VAR, blame the referee.

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16 Jul 2018 00:47:14
I thought the referee was harsh on Croatia throughout the game .
Ref shouldn't have got the game anyway, he was once suspended for giving a wrong penalty decision . Surely, for the biggest game in World football every 4 years there are thousands of referees who are not tainted by suspension available to ref.

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{Ed007's Note - VAR's got it covered, Chis. Every decision in the World Cup was 100% spot on becuse VAR was used to back up any mistakes.}

16 Jul 2018 08:03:56
How could it not have been 100%, with 40 refs and 200 replays on top of it!

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16 Jul 2018 12:12:42
He slapped the ball its a penalty kick, we would all have claimed for it.

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16 Jul 2018 20:47:34
It was 100% a penalty. He never took his eye off the ball once and when it deflected he just reacted with his hand to slap the ball.

One of those when you handle it and wonder why you done it, like a reflex.

I think mostly people were more swayed to being annoyed about the decision because it went against the underdogs and many wanted Croatia to put up more of a fight.

France were just too good though overall. The France vs Belgium game was always the real final.

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16 Jul 2018 22:05:02
Bullsh! t it was never deliberate. Al watch it again bur I'm sure his eyes were closed when it hit his hand.

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16 Jul 2018 23:18:36
Ed, Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but you wouldn't be sarcastic.

Why did it take the Var ( Commitee) so long in deciding to ask the referee to have a look . There mustn't have been agreement and it must have went to a vote . The must have used proportional representation to get the result . I would have thought that the fact it took them so long and the referee twice and also ages, there must have been some doubt .
If Var has a future, they have to speed up the decision making, slow decisions give so much time to get wrong decision.

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{Ed007's Note - Chris I've never been a fan and made that clear all along, I think the fact the World Cup final was decided by a dodgy free kick, a dodgy offside and a dodgy penalty justififies my stance. The fact people are still debating VAR's decisions proves that it is not - and never will be - 100% right and it is still only down to opinion.
Andrew Dallas and Willie Collum should petition FIFA to roll it out in Scotland to show the world how accurate it is. Who needs honest mistakes when the ref can watch replays and then decide not to give a penalty anyway?}

17 Jul 2018 00:11:19
but the attitude there ED is wrong. People are clearly expecting too much from VAR too soon.

expecting it to be 100%

but actually people should be asking is there improvements.

based on this world cup, the vast majority of decisions which were overturned were correct.

with only a couple still arguable/ wrong. So aye VAR will still result in an individual ref making the wrong choice

but you are saying to throw it away altogether because of that. What I'm saying is stop being so negative and ask yourself the positives.

how many decisions were correct using VAR vs wrong? the answer is a lot more were correct. So that is improvement.

nobody is saying perfect but it's progress.

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{Ed007's Note - But there was still wrong decisions so overall what was the point? They got some right and they got some wrong - exactly the same as refs.
How many mistakes was The World Cup Final decided on? It was overall a disaster just like it was proven to be in Germany.
Just like fans in the stands, viewers at home, ex players, ex-refs and pundits in the studio, journalists and my Mrs, it's just opinion. And people will argue until they get the decision that suits their personal opinion.}

17 Jul 2018 18:33:40
The thing that I hoped Var wouldn't do was remove all debate from decisions in and around penalty area . Thank God it didn't .
As an old timer I always thought a good bit of fun in going to a match was the discussion afterwards about an offside decision, a tackle, fair or unfair, inside outside the box .
Thank God we probably won't have certainty or finish up with remote control football

Of course VAR in Scotland would be a complete disaster . The brothers would share top jobs around them.

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15 Jul 2018 16:53:22
Just reading some comments from BR

He would have liked more business done by now - think most of us would agree with this

Christie and Allan - can’t give them game time they’ll need - quite rightly so they where never good enough in the first place so let them go and play elsewhere.

I’d take McGinn over the two of them and I’ll be honest I don’t think he’d get in the first team

Defence must be strengthened especially full backs so I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

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15 Jul 2018 18:16:36
I read his comments as saying that Christie and Allan were both good enough to play for Celtic. I haven't seen the pre-season games, but that seems to be what the lads are saying too.

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15 Jul 2018 18:33:19
Christie will get game time but there are better players ahead of him. Not so sure about allan.

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15 Jul 2018 18:37:07
I very much doubt he would say they aren’t but he isn’t saying these things about players he wants to keep

Reading between the lines that both will be off, seen all our pre season games and neither has impressed me one bit to warrant a squad place.

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15 Jul 2018 19:01:54
BR being diplomatic maybe, as you say Kev. I know Allan ain't the answer but I do see that he brings something we've been looking for for a long while, albeit in small measures. Christie is maybe too good to be a marginal player at this point, but I'd like to see if he can scrap for a spot, and what might come of it.

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15 Jul 2018 21:57:36
Think he might want to bring McGinn in, so as to link up with Allan in midfield,

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15 Jul 2018 23:48:04
I honestly thought Christie would have done a turn for us, but unfortunately for him, there is better players in front of him.

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16 Jul 2018 06:58:21
He would have liked to see us further along with transfers. Every single season this is said. I understand there are problems that arise with transfers but surely targets are lined up throughout the season before. It seems like McGinn is the only transfer being worked on, and they are taking the absolute p**s to get the deal over the line.

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16 Jul 2018 10:01:52
Alot of players will wait till after the world Cup before they move as there stock will rise if they have a good tourney. And the players who weren't at the world Cup will wait and see what clubs come in for them as a lot of clubs won't be able to sign there top targets so will move on down the list.

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16 Jul 2018 23:27:36
Christie going back to Aberdeen on loan definitely finished his Celtic career . A young man in his late teens and early 20's need to be under the tutorage of his club . He needs to be observed daily by the coaches, pointed out what he is doing well and what he needs to improve on . His coaches needs to be talking of what he will be doing the following seasons . He needs to feel part of the club, not sent away a hundred miles or more and have to find new friends and maybe new pastimes, A young lad's freedom away from home can mean excess alcohol etc
All to pay some of P R and M wages.

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15 Jul 2018 16:50:03
just read an interesting piece that laid out the Wilson boy story from LFC. Apparently we were looking for a Paddy type deal,18 months,24 option, but they would not go for it it. It also seems that if they loan players it's contracted they must play, i assume a minimum, games. Celtic rightly said no. Interesting re the big boy at sevco.

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15 Jul 2018 18:14:22
Harry Wilson is seemingly going to Derby on loan .

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15 Jul 2018 18:21:21
What I don't get is that we've got that type of player in Mikey Johnstone . so why develop another clubs yojngster.

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15 Jul 2018 19:19:39
With you DRB, since KT no one has looked like they could come in and get a game but this kid does imo.

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15 Jul 2018 21:49:05
So is it maybe just paper talk and we have absolutely no interest in the boy . just a thought.

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{Ed007's Note - And a pretty enlightened one imo.}

17 Jul 2018 18:39:38
Wilson my arse, no one knows if Wilson comes here and becomes the player we think& hope he becomes . The different style of football played by our opponents in the SPL may prove a problem for him . However we have a clearer idea of how Mickey Johnstone would fare against SPL defences.

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15 Jul 2018 16:29:04
Another BR interview where he states he expected more players in by now.
He is obviously getting frustrated with what's going on. the club need to back the manager now.

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15 Jul 2018 16:51:33
None of us know the background of any transfer dealings. Wait till the window closes then comment surely?

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15 Jul 2018 18:12:42
@JJ - No he didn’t. He said he’d have liked to have more in by now, not expect. Nobody knows how far along transfers are or who’s been approached other than McGinn because Hibs made it public.

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15 Jul 2018 23:44:58
What we do know by BR comments are that the players have been identified given to the board and as yet he hasn't got them.
Also by the fact that he is saying these things in public it's also to putting pressure on the board.

To say wait till the window closes is a cop out.
Every manager wants there business done asap
The manager isn't going to ask for players he knows we can't afford. its time the board got the finger out.

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16 Jul 2018 10:09:02
Transfers are not straight forward things they are extremely complicated. Wages annual pay rise bonuses signing on fee loyalty fee agents fees image rights and there are loads more to list that's why transfers can take weeks or months depending on how high profile the player is. So calm down I am sure we have our targets and our back up plans ready to go. So let's wait and see who we bring in. Also we want quality not quantity unlike sevco who seem to be ready to have a first team squad of 40+ players.

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15 Jul 2018 16:25:13
Bit of class from Christie trying to find and get in touch with the disabled fan he fell into yesterday.

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15 Jul 2018 16:53:45
I have always thought it's a daft place to put disabled fans, balls fly out and like yesterday sometimes players.

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15 Jul 2018 16:02:18
Can't wait until the world cup is over. Been the wost World cup that i can remember.

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15 Jul 2018 16:38:08
I think most people would disagree.

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15 Jul 2018 16:47:51
Thinks it's been one of the best, if not the best.

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15 Jul 2018 16:53:29
Been some great games and been good to see smaller countries do well although in my opinion the introduction of VAR has tainted it somewhat!

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15 Jul 2018 17:06:56
I think it's been one of the better World cups.
Most of the matches have been watchable, unlike previous tournaments where a lot of the matches were like watching paint dry.

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15 Jul 2018 17:32:37
It's been good but for me Italia 90 was the best.

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15 Jul 2018 18:35:58
Agree Tony
Italia 90 superb.

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15 Jul 2018 21:20:38
Not seen much of this World Cup I’m not overly keen on international football but from talking to a lot of people they think it’s been a great World Cup.

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{Ed007's Note - They must be easily pleased, I've not watched that much but most of what I've seen was dross and most people I've spoken to agree. The best game was Portugal v Spain and that was the 2nd or 3rd game of the tournament.
The overall standard of football has been appalling and VAR just helped turn it into a farce. The steady decline of international tournament since Diana Ross missed her penalty at the opening ceremony of USA '94 continues, and the next World Cup is going to be even worse when it is played during CL games.}

15 Jul 2018 23:15:14
I heard she missed that penalty intentionally Ed to start a CHAIN REACTION :-P.

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{Ed007's Note - That's the tipping point of international football though, it's been $hit ever since.}

15 Jul 2018 13:52:38
I have not bought a football strip for about 20 years but was thinking about getting the new Celtic away one as I think it is a belter.

Was also considering getting my kids one as well.

As a result I went to the Celtic shop and must admit was astounded at the prices, especially the kids ones. Needless to say none of us will be getting one as I would not pay the price.

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15 Jul 2018 14:17:55
Football tops for all big clubs are expensive, thought this would be common knowledge?
£56 for the team you love is definitely worth it in my eyes!

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15 Jul 2018 14:30:05
Prices are a scandal, £40 should be the absolute maximum.

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15 Jul 2018 14:41:30
I'm sure some clubs sell their strips for even more exuberant prices than we do but £56 is a lot of money to me as I have a mortgage, bills and kids. I really can't justify spending £142 for 3 football tops.

To me this is just another sign that football is becoming a middle class pursuit as lots of working class people just can't afford to pay that amount of money to wear the strip of their favourite team or buy a season ticket to go and watch their favourite team.

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15 Jul 2018 15:44:07
Totally agree raw and kev. I've two kids and it's impossible to buy new kits every year. But it doesn't mean I don't love the club.

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15 Jul 2018 15:59:46
Last season's strip on m&m direct for £16.99! Go grab yourself a bargain RaW! Can totally see where you coming from lads and I wasn't questioning your love for the club!

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15 Jul 2018 16:40:52
I will wait until next season and get this season's away top but may get the kids last season's home top this year as that is a far more reasonable price.

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15 Jul 2018 16:27:44
Plus kids tops + season books + European games + travel. Fair enough if you're fortunate enough to not worry about that Pablo but it all adds up for others and then they'll bring out another 3 new kits next season.

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15 Jul 2018 16:39:55
I’m sure I bought my kids full strips with there name and no etc at £86 each, and they fall apart if you look at them wrongly.

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15 Jul 2018 16:53:53
The football clubs strips are a complete rip off, the mark up must be fantastic/ horrendous, all the supporters should boycott bthem untill the prices come down to a realistic price, but the club's rely on the mugs who will pay anything just to be seen in the latest strip.

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15 Jul 2018 17:06:16
Na totally agree kev, I'm like Tam from Still Game when it comes to dosh just for some reason don't bat an eye lid when comes to buying strips, just had my first kid so sure that will soon change! Only really buy the home strip anyway, 3's too many! Refused to buy my newborn the new home kit mind you, but picked up last season for a tenner so happy days!

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15 Jul 2018 17:30:02
Smith's in greenock are doing adult tops for 45. Kids are about 10 quid cheaper than anywhere else also.

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15 Jul 2018 18:34:23
Thanks for that markom.

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15 Jul 2018 23:10:55
I got mine yesterday. Managed to get 20% off it through the sports direct app only. Offer ends midnight. Onky cost me £40.

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15 Jul 2018 12:06:43
Strongest starting 11 as Brendan sees it?
Gordon
Lustig. ajer. boyata. kt
Forest. brown. ntcham. mgregor
Dembele. eddy.
Strongest 7 subs?
Bain. hendry. simo. rogic Morgan. sinclair. griff.
Leaving gamboa comper biton hayes Allen Christie kouassi to fight for a place on the bench. taking the goalie out the equation as we need one on the bench at all times . and before we bring in any more new faces that's 13 players fighting for two or three places and that's excluding our youth players who could come onto the bench. is that too many? do we need to trim? And if so who .

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15 Jul 2018 12:13:31
I can't see us having a bench with no CM cover on it so Kouassi.

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15 Jul 2018 13:18:18
I am more concerned about who we could lose in this widow, rather than who comes in. We currently have enough cover for every position and we can afford to rotate quite a few to tackle the amount of games that comes with multiple competitions.
We have a variety of very young talent and experience, with Broony, KT and Griffiths capable of excellent consistency, while and guys like Dembele, Ntcham, Edouarde, McGregor, Ajer, and Hendry have all had another season under there belt and will get even better; while Morgan, Eboue and Christie will be desperate to get their chance.

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15 Jul 2018 13:27:35
That will be why we want John McGinn i’d Imagine, I think Scott Allan, Jonny Hayes, Nir Bitton (for his career ) , Dorus DeVries and Cristian Gamboa should be moved on with youngsters Conor Hazzard, Tony Ralston, Calvin Miller, Regan Hendry, Ewan McGregor and Jack Aitchison loaned out to get games and gain experience, we need to sort our defence out, a quality experienced centre back and cover for both full back positions .

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15 Jul 2018 13:50:04
Hope McGregors aff the smack.

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Pascal Gross

15 Jul 2018 11:24:26
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new player profile about, Pascal Gross

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15 Jul 2018 11:22:09
If BR, as has been suggested, is looking to add a bit of extra creativity in attacking midfield I'd like to see us go for Lasse Schöne. He's only got a year left on his contract and at 32 might not cost very much but would bring excellent experience. He normally hits around double figures from midfield.

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15 Jul 2018 12:18:54
Averages 9.5 a season😊.

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15 Jul 2018 12:32:27
Cut myself off . he was / is a great player. but mgregor is fast becoming that type of player along with rogic . and dare I say it. mginn if we ever decide to actually buy him.

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15 Jul 2018 14:31:53
I did say "around" double figures haha! I agree with McGinn but BR did say he was looking to replace Paddy as well. If that means an out and out winger then fair enough but if not then we could definitely do worse.

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15 Jul 2018 16:20:28
Been pleasantly surprised at Morgan in what little I've seen so far . and young Johnstone looks like he he has the makings of a great player . with the bonus both can play either wing.

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15 Jul 2018 18:15:17
I’d love BR to give Johnston a proper chance this season.

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15 Jul 2018 10:10:28
Young Morgan missed yesterday with a Minor knee knock.

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15 Jul 2018 09:58:26
Brendan in papers talking about how g it the squad has returned from the break and that if any player goes above 2kgs of there tae get weight they train with the kids . he comes across quite mellow but there's a steely side to this man he hides quite well.

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15 Jul 2018 10:39:16
There's one or two guys in the squad who could be doing with putting on a bit of timber, like Johnston, but I'd imagine they've been given some scope to fill out over time.

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15 Jul 2018 11:35:22
Jthat will come kev we've got one of the best sports science dpts going.

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15 Jul 2018 13:53:06
Changed days indeed
I remember a great Martin O’Neil quote in reference to big bad john
Having just returned from an injury with a scoring performance the interviewer said to Martin that Hartson was looking good.
Martin nodded his head in agreement and said
‘He must have been laying off the crisps. ’

Brilliant.

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15 Jul 2018 16:05:35
Johnston is a young boy, give it a rest . Adding too much timber as you call it will hamper his technical ability and speed. Being of slight stature didn’t do Larsson any harm, having too much and it’s another kris commons. The boy is still developing and technical ability should be the most important thing to concentrate on rather than listening to some rage in the stands.

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15 Jul 2018 16:26:41
Big Hartson will be glad he isn't playing now lol.

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Review Of The Day 15th July 2018

15 Jul 2018 07:03:37
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 15th July 2018

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14 Jul 2018 23:58:58
Guys, just a quick question. How can Ajax, arguably a smaller club than us who play in a comparitive league, go and spend £14m one one player? While we are always looking for a bargain, I agree with the model we have btw.

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15 Jul 2018 00:52:25
I wouldn't say Ajax are a smaller club than us. They are very similar in many ways. A large fish in a small pond and a rare club that actually has a proud history. The eredivisie is a better standard of league for starters not to mention it would still generate much more money than the spl.

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15 Jul 2018 01:04:03
Tv deal mate ours is way below everyone's in professional Europe and we deserve more.

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15 Jul 2018 01:16:18
They have already spend 10m on Tadic, 7.5m on a 19y/ o from the Belgian 2nd tier and 5m on a midfielder from Utrecht, the Blind and Tadic signings are proven quality but probably go against there singing policy due to their age, they sold klaassen and Sanchez for a combined 60m last year and have just sold Kliuvert for 15m and have assets such as De Ligt and Ziyech who is expected to leave this summer, so I’d say there pretty flush, there signing policy is pretty much the same as ours but they have the luxury of less strident work permit issues so can get youngesters for South America i. e Sanchez for 4.5m, they also pay bigger fees for players while still making money on them when they sell them, not sure about their wage structure but they have been extremely successful in the past at Developing and selling players, with us having signed French Eddy for a record fee with the hope of selling him for a profit a few years down the line it hopefully bodes well for the future that we will stump up the cash for top talent.

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15 Jul 2018 01:57:46
They are pretty similar to us in size, a big club in a small league being pushed out by the so called big 4 but given the chance can do well against the big money clubs in a one off game. Did ajax not make the europa final a couple of years ago.

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15 Jul 2018 02:54:18
Guys i think our tv revenue is the lowest in Europe So we are kinda ducked them cause we can't expand we suffer loses to lower European team but I'm hoping that's us over this by.

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15 Jul 2018 08:35:05
We are below Sweden Norway Greece and Poland
Hopefully with the amount of bidders at the table now a bit of a auction begins.

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15 Jul 2018 09:27:55
They're not a smaller club than us for starters. They can afford these fees because they have a track record of producing excellent youth players and selling them on for millions over a number of years. Their TV deal is also 3x better than ours (£70M per season) .

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15 Jul 2018 10:37:57
Because the don't have a biscuit tin.

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15 Jul 2018 11:58:30
Ajax consistently speculate to accumulate and it helps that they don’t have work permit restrictions

They signed Zlatan for 9 million from Malmo - would we have taken such a risk, also those manky EPL clubs are hoovering all the talent up with offering big money and ruining the game and careers especially Chelsea.

There should should be restrictions on many players a club can have on the books seeing as agents and players are not doing what’s best for their careers.

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