Celtic Banter Archive September 14 2015

 

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14 Sep 2015 22:54:36
Some people need to have a reality check. We lost a game and aren't playing as well as we should be but surely this makes for a more exciting season and hopefully a decent challenge for the title. Personally I would rather this than be out of site by Christmas and who knows maybe we won't have to listen to the media telling us that without that lot the league is a one horse race. Who knows with a more exciting title race we might start filling the stadium again.

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15 Sep 2015 06:00:21
I can't see how playing poorer football is somehow going to fill the stadium, it's certainly a novel idea.

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15 Sep 2015 07:18:41
So spark74 why do some people need a reality check? And Gerry is right,how can playing garbage football make people want to come and watch the games! The reality is that since Ronnie came in we've went backwards! And he said himself said judge him In a year! Well here we are a year later,knocked out the CL once again with the chance to be 8 points behind by the time the final whistle goes in the Aberdeen game on Sunday! That's the reality mate! And this isn't just about one game! And I don't see how us looking a shambles every time we step on the park can lead to an exciting season!

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15 Sep 2015 08:12:59
That's an interesting approach, let have a poorer team so we get beat more and the league race is closer. Maybe this is one of Ronnie's innovative approaches because no other team I have heard of does this. There is no need for a reality check, reality is right in front of your nose, we are getting worse each year and we now have a manager who is out of his depth

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15 Sep 2015 10:24:04
Aberdeen have got better though. I for one welcome a challenge.

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15 Sep 2015 12:07:33
Thought some fool would disagree. Not terribly pleased with the football at the moment no, but a lot of people are like spoilt brats if we don't win every game 5-0. Would that not get a wee bit boring after a while?

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15 Sep 2015 12:39:13
JimTim, I remember fans moaning about the style under Lennon. I remember the fans moaning about the style under Strachan(me included).

If at the end of this season things haven't change then I might even be calling for Ronny's head but right now it's just a typical kneejerk reaction after a couple of bad games.

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15 Sep 2015 12:47:25
Jim Tim I think u'll find your the one who's looking foolish! Aberdeen have got better! Utter garbage! They're the same as they were last year! Aberdeen never played well on Sunday pal! We were just pish!! And who on here comes here and acts like spoilt brats if we don't win 5-0 every game? I can't recall a single poster saying anything of the sort! And no it wouldn't get boring seeing us skelp teams every week! Was it boring when Martin oneils teams done it? It wasn't for me! So don't give me this spoilt brats pish! We're lucky if we had 5 shots on goal between the Malmo and Aberdeen game,never mind actually winning a game 5 nil! The only reason there's a challenge from Aberdeen is because how far we've slipped back! It's as simple as that! And like I said,if u think other wise your the fool! And a deluded one at that!!

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15 Sep 2015 13:31:14
Let's win a game 5-0 and wait to see if people find it boring before making stupid assumptions. πŸ˜‰

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15 Sep 2015 13:33:44
It's not just the one league defeat (so far) - or the early exit from the CL again, that supporters are unhappy with.
There is cause for concern because the players are either going backwards or refusing to play to the managers instruction. We are all well aware that the quality of the squad is not the Celtic class of old, but look at every single player in the squad and decide how many of them are anywhere near their best form or attitude and you will agree with me that only a few of the entire squad are playing to their potential or ability.

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15 Sep 2015 16:09:31
Dh88 looks like you're confusing black and white with your beliefs again. Pal.

Aberdeen FC:

2010/11 38pts
2011/2012 41pts
2012/13 48pts
2013/14 68pts
2014/15 75pts

Notice a pattern there at all lad?

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15 Sep 2015 18:49:27
πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ‘πŸ» good for u Jim Tim! Who gives a toss about Aberdeens stats! God is that what it's become! Lookin at the points the sheep shaggers are getting to some how justify the fact we're playin utter shite! Aberdeen are an average team at best! And no matter how many points they get this season will convince me anything else! But we still managed to make them look good even when they went down to 10 men! And u didn't answer,who on here acts like spoilt brats when we don't win 5 nil! We can't even win any Fuckn game to nil these days,never mind scoring 5 goals in one game! Open your eyes pal! If u can honestly say it's boring to win convincingly in every game we play then I'll say it again,ur deluded lad!

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15 Sep 2015 20:39:35
Given they're our main title rivals I give a toss. Sure CFC do too. Anyway it was merely a quantitative stat to show the fact Aberdeen are getting better isn't actually "garbage" at all. Even from a qualitative perspective anybody with any sense can see they have. Anyway I think the OP's comment has been taken out of context and a few words have been put in Spark's mouth.

I think the spoilt Brats are those that spit the dummy out after some bad games. Calling for a managers head at this stage. Those that can't see the wood for the trees basically. RD isn't just here for this side - yes winning along the way is important - but he's changing the very foundations, not to mention still getting his own methods across. I think there's a few players not buying in, a couple refusing to and a few more that just don't have the quality. Did NL or WGS do the business straight away? Under the current operation of the club RD is as good a chance we have of progression.

Knee jerk reaction. Too much blame on RD and the problems lie in the bigger picture and it's just being deflected. Were you not calling for PL to change or be changed? You mention not getting 5 shots at goal between Malmo and Aberdeen. We had over 20 shots though. Suppose it's all RD we couldn't hit the target though. It's all RD nobody could meet a cross.

We were flying last season. But after yet another window of insignificant invesyment or even re-investment we're going to be staggering before we walk again.

Perhaps RD is not the master tactician, perhaps he should be more about the role he was initially sounded for. You know before our last manager left (why again?) and before others turned us down (again, why?). Nobody seems to be thinking about why RD was brought in, just to get rid of him. I'd be open to perhaps somebody else coming in, if RD stepped 'back' or 'up' to a development role. But I don't see any good suggestions. I've seen Mowbray and Allardyce suggested FFS.

Would you not keep RD at the club at all? Who would you like to see made head coach?

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15 Sep 2015 22:57:39
Can we just pack in with the garbage that he is changing the foundation of the club. His job is to win matches and trophies all this talk about the club needing to be overhauled is total rubbish and is used as a deflection to cover his inadequacy. If we don't get rid of him the club will be totally changed and it will be another Tony Mowbray style debacle. These guys are brilliant at talking a good game but not so good about making it happen

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16 Sep 2015 16:52:10
"Garbage". Again, wood for the trees.

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14 Sep 2015 17:03:19
Seen all the recent posts and all I can say is that all the crap is coming home. Poor choices by the people at the top have resulted in a drop in standards and performances. It looks like Lennon and Mjallby got out before the the sh?t hit the fan.
What happens now lower attendances, poorer football and worst buys.

It will take a root and branch clear out with new people coming in prepared to make the big decisions necessary to move the club in a new direction, everyone connected with the decisions of recent years must bear some responibility for the situation we find ourselves in.
Four years on from the demise of serco we have failed to push forward and leave everyone else trailing in our wake.

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14 Sep 2015 14:57:51
Guys, we all have had our say on RD this past week.Mostly based on recent results.
But my gripe is not with results as anyone can beat anyone on any given day.
My gripe is with performances which Ronny himself says its what he looks for and our performances this season have been average to poor at best all season with 13 games gone.
Even last season we went thro a small purple patch but that's all it was the rest was average to poor again.So all in all that's about 60 -70 games we have played under RD and had a handful of good performances.
Is this good enough? No where near it especially when you consider 90% of these games were against inferior opposition.
I think he is a very lucky man indeed there is no sevco in our league as the intensity and pressure would be much higher as well as the microscope on him.Cos every dropped point would be compared to sevco.
Does anyone really believe he is up to this next season? Over to you guys.

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14 Sep 2015 14:31:11
Seen Matt McGlone sent out some some concerning tweets last night and couldn't see them mentioned on here, a guy who doesn't BS imo and usually what he says is what he knows to be happening.

Anyway, he tweeted.

‏@MattMcGlone9 Sep 13

"I've been probing a bit behind the scenes & I'm hearing of unrest in the squad & personality clashes. For the good of Celtic sort it quick."

"Methods, application, attitudes, lifestyle, discipline & some big egos at CP who think they're too big to be pushed is a volatile mix! #fixit."

He was then asked by a Celtic fan.

"You think these rumours of unrest are true Matt? If so empty the place and get the youngsters in."

To which Matt then replied back saying.

"Not rumours bud HH"

This is very concerning, going by what I've been reading on other forums it seems we may have quite a few rotten apples in our dressing room who are causing a bit of mischief and not happy with the way Ronny wants to see us playing and could be to blame for a bit of bad morale and form currently.

Of course can't confirm but a lot of the same names that keep coming up are Mulgrew, Stokes, Commons, Brown and possibly Forrest. Supposedly also Johansen has become scunnered by all this going on behind the scenes which is supposedly why he has been performing so poorly this season so not sure what to make of that, it would explain right enough why we don't seem to have a certain zinc about us at present.

IF this is true and I'm sure if it is Deila will probably know, then if they are not willing to adapt and play the way Ronny wants then it's time they ship out. Imo they're all not that great anyway, especially this season. Personally think Ronny should bin all of them in this case, stamp his own mark on the team and push ahead then build in January, as these players are doing him no favours currently and if Ronny continues playing players that are unhappy then the team will not play as well meaning results will get poorer which will only reflect badly on Ronny.

Time for Ronny to grow a backbone here.

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14 Sep 2015 17:22:46
Absolutely mate, if Matt is saying that then there will at least be some truth in it. I've heard similar things, with all those names mentioned except Brown, who I thought got on with Ronny and was even allowed to coach the development team with Stevie Frail, although with him leaving that might add up with Brown. Forrest is an embarrassment, he's fast, but technically very average, and can't cross, hardly ever scores. Mulgrew is the Jack of all trades and master of none. I can't think of 1 big game that Stokes has done well, he hasn't scored against that other mob, and his record in Europe is truly pathetic. Commons is good domestically, but once again not even close to being good enough for Europe. He isn't even fit, and the 2 times in his career he has been out of contract the only interested clubs were us, Derby and Bolton. That tells you his level, plain and simple. This team is missing a Roy Aitken type who would get them by the throat and tell them they are imposters, and to do one! Even a Mjallby type. The dressing room is full of cowards, if they had ability it would be bad enough, but they are rotten. When 2 Dun Utd players walk straight into our team it tell you everything you need to know. I'd send them all to the Championship on loan, and tell Brown that if he wants to stay and more importantly captain our club that he better sort himself and the dressing room out. It's times like this though that we should have leadership, - Ronny, and Lawwell/Desmond have to tell the players that they will never dictate to the club, on any matter. Commons should be grateful he even got a new contract.

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14 Sep 2015 18:21:18
Can you really blame the players? They tried to adjust and buy in last season, to a formation that is a nightmare to play to. Both wings are forced not only to track back, but they're isolated going forward with only the odd piece of magic (or luck) allowing Griffiths to get in the end of anything. People wonder why we go back and forth so often without getting the ball in the box, but it's because this formation is so regimented we have very little opportunity for players to lose their marker and/or get in behind them. So as a player who wouldn't get frustrated. This 'system' is working against us in a big way, and hopefully the players can get RD to change his mindset. It's ruining him as a manager. Really hoping he can lose this stubbornness.

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14 Sep 2015 18:33:57
There is a possibility that the players understand better than us the deficiences in the manager and coaches. Roy AITKEN and big Johan didn't have a duffer as a manager

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14 Sep 2015 18:52:56
I think I remember reading Ed say that Commons and Mulgrew were bad apples or something both supposed to have really bad attitudes and are too outspoken?

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14 Sep 2015 19:51:13
Most top teams in Europe play a 4231 formation, it obviously doesn't mean it's the best/right formation, but what it means is that its not necessarily the problem with us. Ideally with 1 up front the striker can hold it up better than Griffiths, but we don't have any other options, we don't even have 2 good strikers to play together. The players simply aren't performing, - top players can play in many different positions. As well as a poor attitude, I don't think they have the ability. Ronny is far from blameless, but he is young, and not getting any help. With regards big Roy and Mjallby - if you are a leader of men, it is your character, and it doesn't matter who the manager is. It is about respect. I would give him until the end of the season and review were we are. He said it would take a few windows to get a squad he wants. Hopefully he is learning though who he can trust, and who is only interested in themselves. I hadn't heard of him, I was desperate for Thomas Tuchel who had just left Mainz. I wanted a different approach, - all the progressive teams were building from the bottom and getting their academies and scouting in order instead of just drifting from season to season. Clubs in Belguim and Germany took this approach 10 years ago when they were struggling big time, and Dutch teams have been doing it for 30 years. Deila was never going to change the mentality in a year though, - it's similar to when Wenger arrived at Arsenal 20 years ago from Japan, nobody had a clue about him, he started at the bottom though, they had George Graham who although being successful was really only thinking about the here and now. The reason most British teams don't have any kids coming through is because they are still doing the same thing. If you look at Southampton, they are trying to do the opposite, and they have brought through Β£200 million of talent in the last few years. Cheers

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14 Sep 2015 20:48:31
There is no justification in giving him till the end of the season, at the most the next six games should be the maximum. This nonsense about rebuilding the club is exactly the same as Tony Mowbray projects. It is clearer every day that the manager is inept, tactically deficient and now it appears unable to manage the senior players. Remember these are the guys who won the last four league titles, perhaps they can see the flaws in an idealistic novice manager who seems to be all about the textbooks.

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14 Sep 2015 20:51:32
Hi celtic foreverabout that rumour you posted ,if you can check my post from a week maybe 10days ago see what you think.

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14 Sep 2015 20:51:49
I've thought for a few games now that something isn't right in the dressing room and if it is true that some players are not doing there well paid jobs because they have a gripe with the way things are being done by rd and the coaching staff then get every single one of them to Β£@&Β£ , I really couldn't give a toss for these types of people they're just conning us the supporters who travel all over the place spending fortunes to watch OUR TEAM , so my message would be anybody not happy get to Β£&@Β£

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14 Sep 2015 22:32:35
Agree Delphic Tuchel was linked to us before we went with RD I don't know how true that link was but he's doing alright for himself this season! RD needs time we still have a lot of deadwood in the squad once that's replaced and we have the youngsters coming through we will probably see the real style of play RD wants rather than have a load of seasoned players with attitudes not following instructions

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15 Sep 2015 15:40:48
Profesional footballers should be able to adapt to a change in style and play. From the rumours it appears like we are going like the other lot under Le Guen No player is bigger than Celtic if you don't like it move on to other teams.I for one am always up for change, we don't have the money to compete at the big table so we have to bring on homegrown talent nurture them an bring them through.Someone made a good comment concerning Charlie / Maloney being the last strikers to come through and make it to Scotland.Guys like RD have their place in football I hope things change away to Ajax is a start and build from there. Copenhagen to the Dam here I go. Keep the faith

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15 Sep 2015 17:32:41
Is there some idea that supporters who don't like RD are dinosaurs and don't want the team to change, what garbage. Wee all can watch the best teams in the world and see how they are different to Celtic. The probably is a lot of fans don't think RD can deliver what he spouts. You might always be up for a change but it is not likely to be change you are hoping for. There may be a place for RD in football, I am more convinced each game that place is not CELTIC park

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14 Sep 2015 13:45:04
ronnie deilas record domestically isn't that bad however the type of football that we are playing is garbage to watch!
the formation we play which is meant to be attacking minded is NOT working but the manager isn't clever enough to change it and that's where my issue with RD lies!
my opinion of the manager has changed dramatically in recent weeks!
ajax must be looking forward to thursday and hoping for a goalfest!
BOYATA is just another efe ambrose who shouldn't be allowed near the plane never mind the pitch on thursday!

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14 Sep 2015 12:45:22
I'm getting fed up of reading the whole "Aberdeen are a force" nonsense and how they are genuine contenders. They was lucky to get the win the should've been a red for the penalty incident and one for Lustig being kicked in the face as well as Hayes' red!

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14 Sep 2015 14:29:21
I'm fed up reading that they are NOT serious contenders!

They have lost two goals so far this season and one of them was a penalty against us ffs! they signed the best LB in Scotland and loaned a goalie who is clearly keeping them out!

Where as us we have a defense that if we are to consider that 3 of the 4 first picks Simonuvic , Boyata & Blackett have only played circa 110 games of SENIOR football between them ffs! & crikey knows how many of then they were brought on as subs!

Our two fittest players at the club look shattered & exhausted in SB & SJ and we are relying on ONE striker

Point being your right they never played well AND still managed to beat us!

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14 Sep 2015 14:08:03
Your head is in the sand mate, we're a bang average ordinary SPFL side now with only two really good players(Bitton and the injury prone Lustig)in our SQUAD as I can't comment on Jozo yet, the rest of the players fall into the OK, poor and awful categories, that's what we've been reduced to.

Last year our CB pairing was the massive difference in our title push as it was top drawer and we could also rely on Matthews when Lustig was injured, it's now been torn to shreds and Boyata and Mulgrew at CB is frightening in comparison. Hopefully big Jozo Simunovic is decent because if he isn't we are in trouble, also we can't play Jozo next to either Mulgrew or Boyata, both awful. I would move Lustig to CB alongside Jozo or failing that put Blackett beside Jozo, or failing that Ambrose beside Jozo and see how that goes. Boyata and Mulgrew should be nowhere near our first team from here on in.

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14 Sep 2015 14:38:49
They beat you, with ten men. There starting 11 is not far off yours granted Celtic have a massive squad and can afford a few players out and chop and change whereas Aberdeen are already struggling at the back with injuries. Celtic would be daft not to consider them challengers.

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14 Sep 2015 15:10:22
Celticforever agreed with your post to the point u mentioned ambrose! Mate be serious eh! This guy should be nowhere near a Celtic top! Awful awful player! By far one of the worse I've seen in my years as a Celtic fan! Chance after chance this guy has had and he never fails to deliver! And not in a good way! Woeful! And by the look of boyata we look like we've found another liability! The thing was in the past when our defence was shaky we could depend on our front players to do the business! Now we don't even have that! We've got one who is just off a 6 game ban and shouldn't even be near Celtic anyway! And another who is the only one who can scores goals but is staring at a ban after his comments on sat! Utter shambles from top to bottom honestly!

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14 Sep 2015 15:37:12
Dh88 I have my own opinion on Ambrose and that is that he is NOWHERE near as bad as is made out, yeah he has the occasional 'moment' but nowhere on the same scale as we see from both Mulgrew and Boyata at CB.

Ambrose has proved himself to be better than both these players over the last few years at CB, Ambrose played CB in the side that got to the last 16, should never have played against Juve due to stepping off a plane after a long flight that same day, a day from which has sadly tarnished his reputation the most, a decision Lenny got wrong to play him when he should have took initiative.

Anyway, Ambrose also played in the triangle which broke the Scottish Clean Sheet record with Forster, Virgil and himself. Ambrose for me played well against Dundee Utd just there as well excluding the penalty he gave away which was poor I admit but he looked far more convincing there than both Mulgrew and Boyata have done, I would trust him far more than those two who played against Aberdeen at the weekend. I do agree though that Ambrose should never be played at RB, he can't play there and does become a bit of a liability at RB which is why it's so frustrating to see Ronny bring him on in that position. He should be played CB or sit on the bench, but as I've said I would play him ahead of both Mulgrew and Boyata at CB.

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14 Sep 2015 19:05:37
If we needed to win when they had 10 men why bring on Ambrose who is shocking at best and can't cross a ball when Janko who has been playing well would've been the better option was he injured? Thomson did them a favour which is no surprise as he always makes "honest mistakes" I knew we could lose when I seen he was in charge. Aberdeen away after the international break was no surprise either how many Aberdeen players was representing their countries? Its too early to panic we will go on an unbeaten run like last season and no one will be able to keep pace like always keep the faith!

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14 Sep 2015 12:15:18
It was interesting reading a lot of the comments on here over the weekend, Ronny certainly divides opinion.
I sincerely hope that he can turn things round, and I would be the happiest man alive if he was to lead us to where we think we should be, and became a legend at our great club.
I can only judge though on what I see week in and week out, and what I have seen so far, it doesn't look great.
Apparently, when he took over, the club was supposed to be in a total mess behind the scenes, despite the fact we won the title by 30 odd points, and only lost one league match. If Ronny was brought in to sort things out, shouldn't we have been winning the league last year by 40 odd points, rather than the drop to 17 points that we achieved last season. I must be missing something but how is that progress.
I've then read that it's not his fault, it's the board's fault, while I totally agree that the way the club is run from above is crippling us, it's also true to say that this board appointed Ronny, can it be that this board, who are doing so much to damage the club, got this one thing right?. Personally it looks to me as if it's just another bad decision by the board, no doubt because he came cheap, and would just do as he was told.
It is absolutely nothing personal against Ronny, he seems a really nice man, and I would love it if he was to come good.
Just based on what I've seen though, the team seems to be going backwards, If Ronny thinks we are making progress, then I'm sorry but he is deluded, if he thinks the board are holding him back, then for heavens sake, he should speak out, surely the fans would gain a lot more respect for him if he showed a bit of backbone.

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14 Sep 2015 13:04:12
Hi Gerry. I agree with some of what you say, he does come across as being to nice/loyal sometimes. As we all know, - it's a ruthless world, so bottom line he has to lay down the law and start dropping the players who are rotten, or not respecting him. As I said yesterday, I couldn't care less if we sold every player in the squad. Griffiths and Biton have been playing well, I quite like Armstrong, and I don't know what's going on with Johansen and Brown. Forrest has had about 3 outstanding games in 5 years, I would probably just release Mulgrew when his contract ends in June, guys like Ambrose, Stokes, Commons, McGregor, GMS, even Izzy aren't good enough at European level. Our very good players are actually very poor-average when you compare them to very good players elsewhere. Ronny has to concentrate on the first team for now and bring in somebody world class to gut/run our youth set up, because ultimately it can save/make you tens of millions every year. The players Belguim clubs have been producing over the last few years has been incredible, and it's because clubs like Anderlecht addressed this. Someone told me recently that the only strikers that have been produced by our academy and went on to play for Scotland in the last 25/30 years is Shaun Maloney and Charlie Nicholas, that is an absolute scandal, and for the last decade or whatever Lawwell has to take responsibility. We don't produce world class players anymore, like all the other big clubs in Europe, and for every ok one we bring through we bring through 10 that end up out the game or playing for clubs in the lower Scottish leagues. So I can totally understand Ronny realising that this needed sorted, along with the sports science etc, but he needs the proper people to help him, and more money to do what needs done. Even the indoor facility at Lennoxtown(the only one we have) is a disgrace, it's like my old PE hall at school, so it means we can't even train properly during winter, and it's obviously the same for all the youth players. I want Ronny to do well because he's trying to think of the bigger picture/long term as opposed to just thinking of himself and glory. He needs more help though and more respect from those players, because they are nowhere near as good as they think they are. They swagger around Glasgow like superstars, it's hilarious!

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14 Sep 2015 17:11:53
Well said Delphic agree with all the above and astounnded by the comment regarding only 2 strikers produced playing for Scotland

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14 Sep 2015 09:31:27
Just replying to Killy who says I'm way off the mark to say Lennon would have got us threw against your malmos maribors and legia! Forgive me mate but did Lennon not put out the Swedish champions twice in the champions league qualifiers?? Or did I make that up! Did he not get us into the champions league? Did I make that up! I don't think I'm way off the mark at all! The facts are down in black and white! Forget what u said about defeats to St mirren and the rest! I'm talking about Europe,were every Celtic manager is judged! And my belief is with the players we have and using the them in a better system and in there proper positions Lennon would have got us in the CL!!

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{Ed007's Note - How many attempts did NL need to get us into Europe never mind the CL? Lets look at some facts -
First season - None, put out the CL & EL Qualifiers,
Second season - EL Group Stages, it wasn' until NLs THIRD season in charge that we managed to qualify for the CL.
Or am I making all that up?
If you're judging CFC managers on their European record, after one season in charge even Stevie Wonder can see that RD has surpassed NLs first season and emulated his second. It's all there in black and white.
Or am I making that up?
Or is it only the good things NL's team done later on in his time as manager we're allowed to compare with RDs time so far, what about the first 2 1/2 years of NL's reign?
You've went from 'facts down in black and white' to 'my belief is' which one are we sticking by because the facts don't back up what you're saying?}

14 Sep 2015 12:14:34
Well said Ed007. That's not even mentioning that the calibre of player was better not so much 'a work in progress'. Also that we had to beat Karagandy 3-0 at home to go through with a Forrest last gasp goal.

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14 Sep 2015 12:35:41
Rather than judge Ronny on Neil Lennon's start why not judge him on "judge me in a years time"his own words . Are we attractive to watch this season - no. Are we learning from tactical errors - no. Is he continuing to play poor players - yes. Do I think he is progressing us - no. Is youth being given a real chance - no.

If anyone can tell me where we are improving on the park this season then please tell us where?

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{Ed007's Note - Well the only disappointment for me so far this year, outwith the disastrous transfer window where the board and PL let down another CFC manager, is not qualifying for the CL and I put that down to the players so overall I'm happy enough with the job RD is doing, he's not the only CFC manager to fail to get into the CL and he won't be the last.}

14 Sep 2015 14:08:07
Same here Ed i'm sure RD felt as let down as the rest of us by the players. RD has a bit of blame to shoulder, sure, but it was a gutless display from the XI on the park in Malmo and to be fair they only got by from a few corners. Yes the money spent on the two sides is night and day but that doesn't paper over the fact our board didn't do any where near as much as they could and even made money this window. That suggests to me we have lost something out of the playing side. I was yet again appalled by our transfer activity and when you said the other day that by getting our tickets we've put more in than the board I didn't even think of it like that. Shocking.

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14 Sep 2015 14:37:41
Surely you can't be happy with the level of performances in domestic games this season in comparison to the tail end of last season? It's not good enough to have to wait 15-20 games in to a season before we start rolling crap teams over convincingly. For me that is where the frustrations have resurfaced because we've regressed to last seasons start rather than continue on from last seasons ending as progress was going to be hard as we are all disappointed with the transfer window.

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{Ed007's Note - Results come first - then you look at improving performances. We have a team that has had the wind knocked out of them after the disaster in Malmo and it's obviously taken it's toll on them. Our current problems are down to the players. We're still 2 points better off in the league than we were at this time last year, we lost on Saturday in what is traditionally a tricky away tie, even when we were pumping Aberdeen in every game there was always that chance of going up there and losing, it's never an easy place to go.
Although there were some very poor individual displays we lost to a penalty and a GKs error, what could RD have done to change either of them happening, without giving away a penalty and CGs blunder we'd have won 1-0 and I'd take a 1-0 up at Pittodrie any day. And that was with half the team not turning up or giving a good enough account of themselves.
Come the end of the season Saturday's performance will be nothing more than a distant memory.}

14 Sep 2015 15:22:06
Right so it took Lennon his 3rd attempt to get to CL! So what happened on ronnies 3rd attempt! The 3rd attempt in a year! I maintain that Lennon with the players we've got would have made it past Malmo or the other 2 who put us out! It's a fact that Lennon got us threw at his 3rd attempt and Ronnie didn't is it not? My question is if we have a shocking EL campaign do we give him 4 trys at it! That's if we even finish top and get a CL spot! Like I said I like Ronnie and he talks a good game! But we've went backward under him! Of that there's no doubt! To the point were we are actually saying Aberdeen are genuine title holders! Just totally frustrated ED to be honest mate! It's been a long long time since I felt this uninspired by my team!

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{Ed007's Note - Well if you want to be pedantic we need to bring in the Sion situation during NL's reign, that'll go down as another Euro exit for him as well. His first qualification, his third attempt for Europe was by default or that would have been no European football in his first two season without Sion's problems and crazy owner.
It wasn't NL that provided us with EL football that season, it was UEFA and the CAS.}

14 Sep 2015 15:40:42
Yes we will win the league and possibly the double or treble but it just feels like Groundhog Day seeing the same mistakes recurring and same baffling starting lineups/substitutions. Yes individual errors are costing us but it's largely by the same people so he needs to address this as continually selecting them is showing a lack of control of the problem.why not play mcgregor,o'connell,tierney and bailly for a few games to give Gordon mulgrew ambrose boyata etc the proper warning that they must improve

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{Ed007's Note - I'd agree with that, my feelings on Mulgrew and Gordon are very clear, that's two weak players in your defensive unit right away. Boyata I'm willing to give a chance to, especially alongside Simunovic, let's see what sort of partnership they make, I'm not even going to think about Lustig as I don't see him being here long term for one reason or another. I'd say our long term back line will be Janko -----Boyata ----- Simunovic -------- Blackett that's four new players and a brand new defence who haven't had a chance to play together yet, playing Simunovic on Saturday wouldn't have helped any, they guy had only been in the country a couple of days and was nowhere near ready, Blackett got a surprise at how tough the Scottish league is but he'll learn and do us a turn this year.
The CL exit was a major disappointment but I'm willing to give the team a chance to settle down and find some form before pressing the panic button, that's a whole new defence out there and after so many people wanting to see Ambrose, Mulgrew and Izaguirre dropped you have to give their replacement's a chance, hasn't RD (JP & PL) done what people wanted and brought in a new CB and a new LB?
Again the timing of the signings is hardly RD's fault, who can say what difference Simunovic could have made to the CL qualifiers playing besides VVD?
Where's the fans who were screaming out for Mulgrew to play over Izaguirre in Malmo? They got exactly what they wanted and it backfired big time, RD again identified it as a problem position and a new LB was brought in, apart from being a loanee it's what everyone wanted.
Everything the fans wanted, every area they said needed a change of personnel got one, CB, LB and a striker were the positions we all highlighted needed changing and that's what's happened, the quality and timing of the signings can't be blamed on RD.
On May 4th Peter Lawell said this: 'It’s never easy. We have to do it within our financial constraints, timing is an issue – we need to get players in, preferably, before the qualifiers. But normally you can see in transfer windows that most of the business is done at the end. So these are the challenges, we've been planning for them, we face them. We've got a lot of experience in terms of dealing with these sorts of circumstances, but I'm really confident.'
So how did all that experience and planning pan out for you, Pedro, because it was pretty $hitty from a supporter's point of view....AGAIN!}

14 Sep 2015 22:21:06
The great coach Lennon is being found out down south in for a relegation battle this season!

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14 Sep 2015 09:15:41
Im not going to comment on situation with Deila again, for number of reasons already discussed.

There is too much interference at boardroom level and beyond. Things are going to get worse before they get better unless problem is addressed. (Desmond and Lawwell removed).

Deila was always going to be fighting a losing battle from day 1 when he didn't have a say in his backroom team, transfers and backing from the board. John Park has far too much control over team and is making an ar$e of it. (Oops forgot HenriksTongue hero JP is not allowed to be slated)

The posters on here crying for Deilas head, don't seem to realise Deila was not first choice replacement for Lennon. A few shunned job before he was approached. My point is if Deila is sacked no matter what your opinion is of him, expect a substandard replacement and for problems to still be there and to get worse. This faction if Deila leaves can expect likes of Owen Coyle as new manager. A failure, but cheap option for the board.

I said it numerous times before the start of last season, club needs overhaul off the pitch before we can progress.

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14 Sep 2015 12:41:45
Maybe a cheap new option wouldn't pick a goalie who's scared to command his box or continually put effe on the park or properly coach zonal marking or settle on player positions or drop out of form players.

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14 Sep 2015 12:56:24
Does JP pick the team? Does he pick the formation? Does he make changes to the starting line up every game? I've said before I'm not his biggest fan but you're obsessed with the guy. Did you praise him when we signed guys like VVD and Bitton?

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14 Sep 2015 13:09:14
Sorry meant to add if you think you'll manage to oust Desmond and lawwell I think you are going to be disappointed but fan unrest may force them in to rethinking their approach which usually means appointing a new manager as the current one is failing. I understand his hands are tied but Ronny is still failing the big matches so far.

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14 Sep 2015 14:44:41
DN you continually want the head of DD and PL, some may say quite rightly so. But what if they are replaced and the new men are even worse. You are basically judging them on last year or two when they have been here for 15 years or so.
They have been successful as well as not successful, just like John Park.
As I usually say to you "Be careful what you wish for".

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14 Sep 2015 17:17:24
Jim1972 since Forster left, we have no keeper that I have faith in that can do that. Dropping out of form players I agree, but problem is the amount of deadwood we have at the moment. Got no faith in our defence and any player brought in to replace an out of form defender, is going to be worse. DD and PL unfortunately can see here for forseeable future. Only way I can see change is if we lose league this season.

Rayman my judgement of DD and PL goes further back than 2 seasons. Goes back to the day Tony Mowbray was appointed manager.

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14 Sep 2015 22:15:04
Dn30, I remember at the time a lot of supporters wanting mowbray as manager, and where very happy to get him (I wasnt one of them btw), and did celtic not pay west brom Β£2m compensation, so hardly a cheap option.
your argument for not changing RD, is also valid for DD, and PL, who would take over, and do a better job?

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15 Sep 2015 02:49:37
Jbhoy I know Mowbray wasnt a cheap option. He was an expensive option, brought in at a time where the league was far more competitive. He just got WBA relegated, yet board thought he was the man to take club forward. From thst decision I've alway maintained time for DD and PL to go.

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14 Sep 2015 08:25:17
Just my opinion but I think RD should be replaced. He has shown his inability to perform on numerous important occasions. He always looks like a frightened child on matchday. His tactics don't change and every team in the country knows exactly what we're going to do before a game starts. The pLayers never look motivated, it's as if Ronnie's running a scientific experiment with them. We need a manager with passion for the game and someone with a lot more intelligence.

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14 Sep 2015 13:38:58
In the last few years we have lost 10s of millions worth of players from our defence and gk departures. Our midfielded has lost big players and we have wasted millions on failed attacking players. We have trimmed our wage budget coupled with a severe drop in form at the start of the season. The players WERE motivated for the cl push but failure to make it has knocked the stuffing out them because they know it was no ones fault but thier own. One criticism of RD ill make is giving game time to players that aren't good enough but do you think there is pressure to play these players from above?

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