Celtic Banter Archive October 14 2013

14 Oct 2013 19:42:35
"However, there is no requirement for short-term funding and, as such, neither the company nor RIFC are actively seeking finance."

Curiously this board at SEVCO have started calling their club RIFC. Yes the club not the company. They called THE CLUB RIFC three times on tv website.

If these RIFC NEWCO directors fall to Oldco RFC dead club directors, green and Co will scream its a new club; Rangers International FC (no limited or Plc on the end).

Does Green officially still have his shares until end December? Did he just transfer his voting rights to Essdales? If it goes bust do easdales not need to pay up?

When folks use "Rangers" it's a term of endearment, a nickname. It really is now RIFC and not RFC. It's all actually a wind up on Celtic fans.

14 Oct 2013 13:57:12
see pl has confirmed what we all thought we need the rangers by advising shareholders to drop the complaint to uefa regarding this new new club if this is ignored then and voted down by bullying then the game is up for me I have no problem with the new club playing but the truth must come out that it is a new club

OP the truth is out. Its only the Zombies that don't get it. They are a new club

I think the SFA favoritism towards old RFC and now TRIFC beggars belief. For example the spl tier 1 referees going into SFL div4 only for TRIFC New Rangers games. Also the finding that eleven years and five titles of EBT tax evasion offered no sporting advantage and Regan coming out and saying it's the same club. Also allowing them to call themselves the world's most successful club.
It all adds up to handing SEVCO continued advantage over other clubs.
PL now finds himself departing in principle from fans and conflicted as he sits on the SFA board. Is he getting the top job after Ogilvie?
This issue is supported by all clubs fans who have reservations over the clearly biased SFA/ RFC/ SEVCO/ TRIFC/ new rangers relationship.
If shareholders support this motion against the board then PL and his board must resign.

Op and others, it's not our problem and why would we want to make a big deal over this? If the board did do this it would be mostly negative attacks on our club and maybe taint us in a bad way and the papers would have a field day with it. Pl and the board and shareholders should keep our name in a positive light and this is why I think they don't want to bring it up. We all know they are a new club and it is only themselves that have to fight that idea and facts everyday so they always lie to themselves like thier board so they feel better. Some of you seem to want them to be found out more then what it may do to our club and our name if we are seen as a bitter club. The club is BIGGER then trying to prove them wrong and waste time on them, we have to focuss on our cl and the rest of the season not some newco who will be liq again chasing us! We are better then them and so some should just drop it for it will be a bad light on us.

@3 . Why not just lie back and get your tummy tickled . Taint us in a bad way? . The papers would have a field day with us? . The MSM are already in the back pockets of Sevco so what would it matter . So we just sit back and take it as if nothing happend . The SFA get away scot free and we forget the cheating and welcome them back with open arms . Never . I wasted years of my life watching my team fighting for titles against a team who operated unfairly beyond their means . Time to expose the whole sorry lot but I'm not holding my breath . DH

@3) is that you Peter? Grow a pair.
This is an SFA issue not directly SEVCO. Gettit?
Charles Green gave the SFA assurances he had no links to Whyte. Well Whyte has voice recordings, signed documents, Aiden earley witness that Whyte set up Sevco5088 ltd. plus a 300 page lawyers report. THE SFA DID NOT LOOK AT ANY THAT EVIDENCE AND TOOK AN INTERNAL TRIFC REPORT THAT GREEN AND WHYTE WERE NOT LINKED. UTTERLY CRIMINAL.

@4) winning titles by goal difference or by one point but the expensive players paid for with £48m tax evasion didn't give them sporting advantage. Nor the £140m debt to 276 creditors never intended to be repaid.
And the SFA agrees with that- no sporting advantage. It needs to get into a court room.

They get away with it when good men stand by and allow it to happen. It was full liquidation not an administration and successful CVA. The club was not saved. It died.
Yet the SFA is clearly and wrongfully going along with the lie.

@6 .So the SFA agrees with it so that's it . Every point they gained was by unfair advantage . Every Celtic fan knows it . Every non Sevco fan knows it . DH

I think the board's position on this is a disgrace. The only possible explanation is that there is a genuine fear of civil unrest should the Zombies be properly put out of business. Either that or it really is all about money and the draw of the 'Old Firm' derby.

TomTheTim

@3 what the f. Did you ever hear term "our time will come"? Well it has, we've been bullied our fathers fathers were bullied, its time to take a stand in this country once and for all. Onwards and UPwards not backwards. don't you worry about the media or attacks on our club as its never been any different, ., .kbarry

Peter Lawwell finding everything ok with the SFA completely contradicts what his manager has previously stated.
RFC directors brought their own club down we're simply not putting up with sevcosfa same club persistent lies.
Scottish football can never progress until the SFA come out and state SEVCO are a new club. Which they are. We will march on with this position for decades.
I'm surprised all non SEVCO fans didn't cause civil unrest over the SFA disgraceful and DELIBERATE positioning.

Regarding Mr Lawell's position with respect to the SFA being easy on Rangers (or whatever they are called) - has anyone actually developed a business model for Celtic with and without Rangers as an equal competitor. I'm no programmer or statistician, but someone must be able to model Celtic's future income based on always being in the Champions League versus getting in say 50% of the time (with Rangers back to their best). I'd be surprised if Celtic were not better off without Rangers. Given that outcome I think Celtic should be asking the SFA/UEFA etc what is going on.

I live in England, and when I even attempt to talk about the servco shenannigans people think it is utterly incredulous. A five minute explanation turns into two hour monologue as I catalogue the things they have never been held to account for and how the corruption has infected every aspect of Scottish society not just all things football. Steven Speilberg would shake his head in disbelief and he IS a whopper of a story teller. Bottom line is, if they feel they have done nothing wrong (lol) they should have nothing to fear. Let`s give fat Sally the transparency he so desperately craves.

chasaboy

'Same club' was a spiv lie CG came up with to make money out the gullible and he made money.
But the jiggy is up.

This is 3, if not about the newco fine but we all know the sfa and all are corrupt and should be out. It would be best for all for a big change in them but sadly don't think that is going to happen any time soon, even if it goes to uefa(as they drop the ball before) or wtv.

I have been a staunch supporter of Peter Lawell since he came to the club, in this instance I can't and won't support him, is this why he has been allowed the position he now hold's within the S.F.A. If it is all I can say is watch your back, because if this is not investigated by an outside agency ie uefa and they are allowed to say they are the same club, they will drop you like a ton of brick's and stab you in the back, please don't be fooled by these people Peter and follow the wish's of many of your team, s supporter's and indeed other team's supporter's
Tambhoy

Get lawwell out of our club now. We all know what's going to happen to cover the cracks, yeah he'll resign or be movd from his role with sfa.effoff pl you crook, ., .kbarry

Some very good comments and a lot of passion on this. I believe it is not about sevco but it is calling the SFA to account for their actions and decision making. I also believe that from a purely financial point the SFA had little option. However, I believe that some things should be brought out in the open. The original entity was liquidated and this should go on record as stating the new company does not have the historic titles etc attached to it.
The SFA should also be censured for accepting that the use of ebt's did not create an unbalance in the old companies favour. The SFA should also be censured for allowing the new company to leapfrog other companies who had complied with the rules and were awaiting their turn to join the system. At the end of the day sevco were always going to be favoured and this will not change unless liquidation part 2 takes place. The SFA should be made answerable and that is what I would like to see.

Would the whole action to investigate The Rangers and Spl not hold more weight if backed up by other teams and fans after all this didn't just happen to Celtic it happened to all of Scotish football.

@17 Pull your neck in mate, he is best thing to happen to Celtic in a long time, yes, on this I do not agree with him but he has an opinion too, maybe he know'smore than I do, Monkeybhoy you are correct mate, other club's should be shouting the same as us but when you get down to it their supporter's are just people who can't afford to follow the tribute band.
Tambhoy

Tam bhoy agree some are like that but not all what bout aberdeen, dundee utd, hibs 3 of the biggest outside celtic. Without backing of others it's pointless

@21 Got to disagree with Dundee Utd mate, at the end of the day the Rangers propaganda is working, even in our own rank's it's a who care's attitude. This team and most of their supporter's deserve to be put in their place, could you imagine if shoe had been on other foot, we would have lost everything
Tambhoy

Can't say for sure who would think what but utd and there chairman were some of the most vocal in there demise, did they not use to be Dundee Hibernian.
All am saying is this happened to every other team if its just celtic that complains then uefa will look at us and say what there thinking obsession if a lot more teams fans get behind it then they can't say that

@23 And why did they change their name to United, Read their history
Tambhoy

Tam a don't really care, what a do know is that dundee utd were probably one of the most outspoken teams against them, that holds more weight than why they changed there name

Have read it tam, they were modelled on hibs for the dundee catholic community they changed there name to attract a wider spread support, really don't see the problem with that