Celtic Banter Archive November 14 2014

14 Nov 2014 21:59:02
After watching the international I have to say it went as expected. Both ex celtic managers had there countries playing the way they liked there clubs playing. GS's was a pass and move game, MON's was a long high ball game. The best football playing team won tonight. Markie.

15 Nov 2014 09:57:28
Did you also notice that Strachan plays a 4/2/3/1. Does not look as if it's going to take him 2 or 3 seasons to get the players to understand how he wants them to play?

Yes I said that before to the play 2 strikers and 4-4-2 brigade. Strachan like the rest of football has moved on from that and his team playing one striker with the 3 attack minded players behind is the most attacking and best football playing Scotland team in years. Totally get your point about how quickly he has gelled players together in this system when they only meet up once in a blue moon. Our players look like strangers at times and can't keep the ball. Do you not think it's interesting also how well Mulgrew and brown play together in the same positions they play at club level. Mulgrew comes off every celtic game getting pelters for his performances yet for Scotland he gets man of the match and everyone is raving about him. What's that all aboot? Markie

Great point markie, I been saying on here for months RD can't get the best out o players he just too interested in his system.I never seen Mulgrew put so much effort into a game, I thought he was excellent, shame RD can't get that out of him.

It's definately a strange one rayman. I mean one of the things we were lead to believe about RD was exactly that, that he could get players to produce an extra 10% and how the benefit throughout the team would be amazing, but most players seem to be producing 10% less if anything. The no1 on my January wish list was a player of similar quality as Broonie to play beside him. then I watch Mulgrew last night play like he is that player and you have to ask is it the managers making the difference or maybe he's playing better with Scotland as he has better players round about him, I don't know mate bite it's frustrating! Markie

Strachan always said he could make players better, that what his job was. RD as you say seems to make them worse .

We can sell the seven players listed in January and pay an average of twice the value of each player for three players but how do we know we will be any stronger. I expect whoever decided to buy the seven listed players thought each of the players would add value to our squad . That's what we would expect from the three we would buy . Even clubs who can afford to pay £40/50m for players, are never sure that their buys will fit in and do a good job, so can we be sure when we spend £2/3m, that the players will do well. Some will like Virgil and some won't.

To me the big difference in the team's is the coaching that the teams have received . WGS had his team fit and ready for battle . WGS had planned and coached Scotland into taking a short corner . MON hadn't prepared Ireland to defend short corner . The little bit of clever coaching made the
difference .

It's use to be after a bad Celtic result Deila got ridiculed. Now after a string of Celtic successes the Celtic cynics are reduced to berating Deila after a good Scotland result .
Why don't you just come out with it, no matter what Deila and Celtic achieve you will always not be happy with Deila .

Your having a laugh Rayman. Your bitterness towards RD is appalling

15 Nov 2014 21:09:44
Markie and Ryman, players can change formations and pick them up pretty quick so it's not the formation change. Is it the closing down or pushing up as a unit to get the ball back? Can't see it either? Your point about Mulgrew is spot on. His best performance of the season playing the same formation as RD uses. Brown good as ever as well. Improving fitness and diet is always work in progress but these changes don't adversely affect how the team play. So why are we going backwards. Telling me that it takes 2 or 3 transfer windows till we see his side perform effectively is tosh! Yes we should see improvements but I just can't see how he is going to go from where it is today to "blowing away CL teams" as he said we will do. Well done to Strachan and the team. That's how you do it.

@Rayman If you've never seen Mulgrew put in that much effort before what does that say about the 4 years and 170 games he played under Neil Lennon, so was that Mulgrew or Lennon's fault? It's more than a coincidence that Mulgrew has looked a better player this season and the effort he showed last night proves that he is fitter than he has ever been over the last 4-5 years. I'd say Mulgrew is reaping the rewards from Deilas new fitness and prep regime. You shot yourself in the foot with that post but cheers for pointing out how Scotland and maybe even Celtic could benefit from a fitter and better coached Mulgrew and as you point out going by last night's performance Lennon obvioulsy didn't know how to get the best from Mulgrew or he would have been playing like for the past 4 years. International managers don't do fitness training at coaching sessions so that's down to the club and more importantly it's down to Deila.

15 Nov 2014 21:23:08
DN30 everyone is entitled to an opinion, you may think Ryman is just bitter towards RD but why would any supporter be bitter about RD? He is not happy with what he sees and is not confident that RD will get it right never mind deliver what he has promised such as fast attacking football to blow away top European teams. That's the problem. So you might think Ryman is bitter, well I think that the posters coming on here telling us that RD will get it right and we will be playing regular CL last 8 on a semi regular basis are just hoping beyond hope that it will happen. You think Ryman is bitter, and I think you are being sold a pup but are too blind to see it. It's all a matter of opinion my friend so that's mine.

@Johnnymac This coming from a man who doesn't see Celtic as a major club.

@johnnymac wind yer neck in! Its friendly banter

@Am Hort is this the same Mulgrew that won player of the year under lennon?. @ DN my old mucker, why is it appalling I havin a go at RD, when you have a go at Lennon its ok lol. Be honest DN how many players under RD have you seen improve?

@Rayman You that said you'd never seen Mulgrew put in the same effort as he did against Ireland. The fact he won POTY kind of proves my point rather than yours, or are you saying he's that good he just cruised through the season without even trying, why couldn't Lennon motivate him in 4 years? I'd say he's always worked his ass off but his ability let him down, last night you could see how fit he was, that mixed with Deila's everyday work with him is improving him as a player. You're even trying to credit WGS for it, that's f***ing desperate stuff, even for a noted Deila hater like you. You've tried to use Mulgrew's performance as something agaonst Ronny and it's backfired on you, just leave it pal, next you'll be saying you didn't say it! We've been here before (yawn) or do you think he would give 100% in every game if he was at a major club.

16 Nov 2014 01:18:32
It's astounding that a fantastic scotland result has turned into another anti ronny converstaion. Some people on here sound like they want the guy 2 fail so he's out the door it's getting boring

{Ed007's Note - (clap) I'm just hoping he hasn't went to visit his young family during the international break.}

@rayman was a wee bit of sarcasm mate lol

@ AM Hort, I do not hat RD I actually like hm, its what he says and the way we play I don't like. Do you honestly like the way we playing? Never mind what we could play like because that's utter nonsense, I could be celtic manager have my team paying poorly and say "AH but we going to be brilliant soon"Its not about what we could do its what we actually do. because we could go backwards as well as forwards so its about the here and now. And anyone who thinks we going to blow away CL teams is deluded including our manager.As for Mulgrew I don't see how he has improved under RD because he played well in 1 game. find mulgrew has always played well for Scotland. I don't get your point how NL cudnt motivate him yet he won POTY under Lennon that just doesn't make sense.

@Rayman It was you who said you had "never seen Mulgrew put so much effort into a game" and then "shame RD can't get that out of him". Doesn't that also mean he wasn't putting in as much effort under Neil Lennon in the 4 years he played under him if as you say you have "never seen Mulgrew put so much effort into a game"? You more than anyone should understand it after all it's you that said it! Shouldn't you have said something like "shame Neil Lennon and now RD can't get that out of him". If as you say you've "never seen Mulgrew put so much effort into a game" that also covers his time playing under Neil Lennon doen't it unless you never watched him playing under Lennon?

The fact that Mulgrew looked more confident and more on the ball was in my opinion because Ireland played only two central midfielders, unlike most SPL and European teams who flood the centre of midfield usually with 3/4 players.

@Am Hort yes your right I said it and Mulgrew has never put that effort into a Celtic performance that I can remember, but the difference is he won POTY under NL which means he was playing well consistently.He has never played well under RD.your like a number o posters on here all tellin us how good we will be. Sorry but I don't accept that, I could win the lottery in 5 years it doesn't mean I rich now.Will we win the intergalactic cup as well lol.

@rayman Have you confused yourself now? This thread itself shows that you don't have any clue about football, you're even contradicting yourself with your need to see Deila fail. I've never once questioned Mulgrew's effort in a Hoops top, you're the one questioning his effort under Lennon and Deila with your "I never seen Mulgrew put so much effort into a game" and making yourself looking like a fool doing it. Can I ask why are you questioning Mulgrew's effort under Neil Lennon and Ronny Deila? I don't rate Mulgrew as as a player but I've never questioned his effort in the Hoops, can I ask why you are questioning it under both Deila and Lennon? Maybe you tried to use his Scotland performance to have a dig at our manager and it backfired, theres no harm it admitting you got it wrong. As for the intergalactic cup you'd probably be cheering on Bolton.

@AM hort, the I don't understand football typifies you. Mulgrew has never put in so much effort that I have seen(how many times do I need to say it). The difference is he played well under NL. Playing well and effort are 2 different things or are you not aware of this.Thats how he won POTY by playin well.I naver seen a player win it because they put so much effort in.As for the Bolton line your makin yourself a laffin stock mate.By your logic that I want RD to fail, does that mean you wanted NLto fail last yr because you wernt a fan?of course I want RD to succced I want him to be the best we ever had, but sadly I don't think its going to happen.If he doesn't improve he will be sacked because fans won't turn up to see this long term and if he succeeds like you say he will be off anyway as that's how football works as he would be the next big thing.

@rayman Would you care to explain the difference between playing well and effort, his should be worth a giggle? So according to you Mulgrew is that good he can win POTY without even trying so why couldn't Lennon motivate him to give 100%? Think how good a player he could be if he had gave 100% in every match, it's you that's saying he didn't, not me. I think you're a disgrace to question any player like Mulgrew's effort Mulgrew gives his all in every game in my opinion, I'm asking you why you don't agree and why you think neither Lennon or Deila could motivate him? If Neil Lennon or Deila couldn't motivate him to give 100% it must be a problem with the player. You need to remember it's you questioning Mulgrew's effort not me.

Your laffable mate I not questionin his effort, I said I never seen him put so much effort in. Doesn't mean he wasn't tryin before.And if you playing well you need to put in less effort because you on the ball more and its the opposition who putting in all the effort to get the ball.Or do you not know this lol?Players will inadvertantly put more effort in special games eg old firm games cup finals world cups etc. It doesn't mean they wernt trying before.Or do you not know this either lol?

@Rayman I'm sorry but I've got to ask though what you mean by "I said I never seen him put so much effort in. Doesn't mean he wasn't tryin before." You're saying Charlie Mulgrew wasn't trying enough before and won POTY when he was giving less than 100% effort, I've never questioned his effort, I'm questioning you questioning it. Do you really think he won the POTY without "trying"? I'd say he's not that good a player, he would be trying and giving 100% in every game. You're running a Celtic player down by questioning his effort and if he was trying or not and that in turn means you're questioning his commitment to the team, according to you Mulgrew doesn't care enough to even give his all during games, you're questioning his professionalism and that's not on in my book, question his ability but you can't question his effort.Do you think Scott Brown "tries" in every game, even the ones he doesn't put the effort in? I'm scared to ask what you're using to measure "trying" and "effort" against, is there even a difference between putting effort in and "trying"? If there is can you explain that, you're doing such a grand job so far.

@Rayman One more thing, when you said

"Strachan always said he could make players better, that what his job was. RD as you say seems to make them worse"

Are you counting Craig Gordon in that? Has Deila made Izzy worse than he's been the previous 18 months? Stokes link up play with Izzy on the left, James Forrest being back AND fully fit? Ed says Man City are happy with Denayer being here that we might get him for another year. Guidetti's been called up to the Sweden squad. Scott Brown's playing more like the box 2 box midfielder he was when he was younger and doing a tremendous job in that position. Mulgrew has improved this season which surpised me so what players has Deila made worse exactly because I can't think of one. Big Virgils stuttery start can be put down to him wanting to move during the window, the birth of his bairn and that him nipping a porn star was all over the papers, he seems to settled down now though. Kris Commons has just went back to the player we had in 2011-2012 when he wasn't interested and there was talk of him and Lennon fighting, his stupid red card against Hearts and he only scored 1 single goal in 33 games, if you check you'll see it's a pattern throughout his career and add that in with his contract situation and his age. Commons hasn't got worse it's just he doesn't seem to fit into Deila's style of play, that's up to the player to knukle down and adapt like every other player has.

14 Nov 2014 16:21:54
We've discussed the improvement in players fitness looking leaner closing down on opponents quicker its making things much better but its speed of thought along with these that to me is the key to both entertaining and winning and I think Ronny knows this and will be looking for players who have this in their locker if his system of play is to be successful in qualifying for champs league

Of course he will be looking for players to fit into his style and way of doing things . All managers do the same but the problem is that many players are not able to bring their form or potential from the club they were at to their new club, which could be in a completely new environment .