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14 Dec 2012 22:19:28
The issue of Rangers wanting to destroy St Mirren for St Mirren's SPL share is still very raw. Still so very raw.
Is it? Ive not heard many st mirren fans mention it this season?
Unless your from Paisley you wouldn't................kbt1978
It's raw with everyone in Scottish football.
14 Dec 2012 20:02:02
so charles green says that there wont be stripping of titles as long as he's at ibrox and that the trophies are his as he bought them?
does that make chuckles the newest and most successful league winner in the world?
what a fookin trumpet that guy is. he makes me laugh so hard that sometimes i pee myself a little :D
frankiebhoy {Ed007's Note - Mrs E is the best one to ask for advice on a weak bladder, she supplied all of us with paper pants when we were all pi$hing ourselves at Rangers going bust.}
Oooffft Ed007...
If you buy the Sunday Post there's a section in the paper that does a smashing line in incontinence pants. ~ Mrs E {Ed007's Note - Are you on commission or a discount for bulk buying?}
The issue is none of his business and he has no say on the issue.
Trumpet.....I like frankiebhoy....not heard in a while :)
It's glints reason for leaving in January. They're stripping the titles boys, I said I wouldn't be at ibrox if that happened. Cheers thanks for the money.
15 Dec 2012 11:53:19
You can't buy trophies *cough* 'scuse me cough *EPL* cough *Chelsea* cough *Man City* cough cough jeez think i'm coming down with something.. a prayer to Padre Possil should fix me, the pea.
Ah boatul ae ma finest bukiecuresall syrup wings it waey tae you pea,here huv you fell oot wae the whistle?
its jist thit ye wur aewaeys the githur like.........
Me and the whistle fell out (well i fell out of him) he's a blowhard, fingers crossed it's a number one cough syrup. Bless ye Padre.
14 Dec 2012 18:58:01
Fat Sally on the news droning on about how his players have been compromised by the latest fiasco, instigated by the one and only Fraser Wishart of the PFA.
Is this the same man who compromised the safety of a 3 man panel? Hypocrite!
These oldco players were contracted by a business that went into liquidation, therefore I'd assume they were free to explore alternative employment?!
It's a no brainer!
Miko
Wee mustang Sally is such a roaster. He totally came across as nonsensical not speaking for the club and not criticizing the players. Eventually saying they had the right to go but maybe should have let the club get a wee fee.
Amateurs. This guy shouldn't be discussing an outstanding legal issue regarding a club in liquidation. As a shareholder of the new club he's conflicted with financial self interest.
Op and @1
well said. .H.
Ah wee fraser pish art ( n it is an art jist ask ed) true story, ah wiz sittin in a very plush lawyers office in carlton place glesga wae a very very big paL A MINE WHO WAS WAITIN TO BE SEEN,
this mate gets up to go to the bog wen in comes wee pish art n anuthur namelis person, asks if ma pals empty seat is emdys?
he gets telt thit aye it wiz bit then says TOUGH !
then perks his erse doon anywaey wae a wee smug grin!
next thing big bob comes back fae the toilit n asks nicely for his seat back fae wee pish pants explainin thit he only went to the toilet for 3 mins!
pish pants reply wiz
" find anuthur seat ur find anuthur office"
ah goat up tae gie um ma seat!
bit naw he jist wantit HIZ seat back,
anywaey he wiz asked wan mer time tae get up,
nope agane
then wiz dragged oot the office tae the landin wer he wiz asked tae choose a windae ( weer 3 flares up mind)
pish pants lived up tae hiz name n kindly offered his DRY seat tae bobbyn calm wiz restored,
thats why hes cauld wee fraser pish parts!
still laff at it the day arrogint wee prik nite all!
14 Dec 2012 14:20:57
Hopefully this will put to bed that Rangers are gone defunct dead no more and that Celtic are still the same company from incorperation.
About Celtic Plc
Celtic Plc (SC003487) was incorporated on 12 Apr 1897. The company's status is active,
About Rfc 2012 P.L.C.
Rfc 2012 P.L.C.( SC004276) was founded on 27 May 1899 and has its registered office in Glasgow. The organisation's status is 'In Liquidation'
About The Rangers Football Club Limited
The Rangers Football Club Limited (SC425159) was founded on 29 May 2012 and has its registered office in Glasgow. The organisation's status is active,
To make it easy for them if you can cut and paste the company number and look on companies house or duedil you will see it is true so no need to hit disagree.
Ian
Matters not a jot mate. They have been told so much rubbish about the companies and the team are different entities that it is now accepted by the majority to be true.This despite various"legneds" telling them the old club was dead at the time of the burial! Even the new spin doctor said so in his daily ranger column..........green jhedi
Ian - Rangers FC founded 1872, registered as a Limited Company 1899. In essence the CLUB was up and running for 27 years before the 'Company' was founded.................get it yet?
By the way I've no problem with anyone thinking Rangers (or Sevco as the disrespectful like to call them) are a new club, or not. I'll be just as happy celebrating title number 1 as I would title number 55. I'll also be just as happy supporting the same team, playing at the same stadium, with the same blue shirts, in front of the same 50,000 fellow supporters, getting the same press coverage, etc, etc.......get that as wel yet?
To no name this was taken direct from companies house not something I put together. Good to see you will be happy when or should I say if you win a title because witg CG incharge and the amount of lies he is telling it will be a surprise if you finish the season.
Ian
@ 2 “ Do not care if its 1, 55 or 155 and I do not care if your are stripped of titles or not (well except for the amusement factor) but why do you think Charles Green in June 2012 said that if his CVA proposal was to fail (which it did) and Rangers were to be liquidated (which they are):-
'the history, the tradition, everything that's great about this club is swept aside'.
You are going to be justifying the whole club/company (that even you do not believe) debacle FOREVER more :-)
I look forward to your reply ~ Mrs E
@2; Are you serious? Because the club was founded before the company means nothing.When the company number(all important in the business world) was issued it would cover the team on the park,rangers will claim VAT returns for team expenses as it's THE SAME NUMBER............green jhedi
Hey no name deady bear cheating & thieving, threat all & sundry. Everyone in Scotland & even zombies know your history was **** ! Scotland's shame ! Whoever runs out at the asbestos bowl know this it wil never be Glasgow rangers the cheatin thieving bigoted manky mob died, don't do walking away ? No you ran away from putting your hands in your pockets wanted something for nothing the cardigan & your other mouthpieces paid lip service & watched. Glasgows green & white cos the wee man wiv the bunnet dunnit ! AbS 1888
This was released today by the ECA
The European Club Association has confirmed that Rangers remain as members of the organisation but that their status has been downgraded following the transfer of ownership.
Following administration and the subsequent transfer of assets to a newco owned by Charles Green's consortium, Rangers lost their place in the Scottish Premier League and were later admitted to the third tier of the Scottish Football League.
The ECA is the sole independent body recognised by UEFA and FIFA as representing clubs at European level. Ordinary members of the group are required to be playing in their domestic top division and be licensed to play European football.
Rangers do not hold a UEFA club licence as a result of a break in their accounts and, having lost their top-flight status, are no longer ordinary members of the ECA, the organisation confirmed.
"Rangers FC held ordinary membership with the ECA before entering into administration and later into liquidation," an ECA spokesperson confirmed to STV.
"Meanwhile Rangers FC, owned by the Rangers Football Club Plc, transferred all its assets, including its goodwill, to Sevco Ltd (Sevco Ltd later changing its name to the Rangers Football Club Ltd)
"Alike at Scottish FA level, this 'new entity' had to re-apply for membership with ECA as according to Swiss law, membership of an association is neither heritable nor transferable (article 70.3 of the Swiss Civil Code).
"In dealing with these re-application, ECA applied the terms and provisions of our membership policy and statutes.
"According to the prerequisites set out in the membership policy, Rangers FC did not meet the requirements to be granted ordinary membership (top division and European licence).
However, Rangers are permitted to hold associate membership, which holds no voting rights, as they are one of the founder members of the ECA. The organisation considers the club's history to be continuous regardless of the change of company.
"With regards to associated membership, the membership policy states amongst others that founding members are granted automatic membership," the spokesperson explained.
"Taking into account that the 'new entity' also acquired the goodwill of the 'old entity', it was held by the ECA executive board that the goodwill, taking into account legal and practical arguments, also included the history of the 'old company'.
"Consequently it was concluded that Rangers FC was entitled to associated membership of ECA as considerer to be a founding member."
An independent body recognises what lol.
What does the official bodies....UEFA, FIFA, SFA etc say. I think we all know. How many straws have been given out over Govan way..we watch with amusement :-)
The ECA works for UEFA.
But is not UEFA...argument over xx
No it doesn't............kbt1978
Sorry Ed, it is panto season.
Oh yes it does!!! {Ed007's Note - It doesn't, the European Club Association is only a body of clubs that replaced the G-14 group.}
Rangers qualified to play in Europe this season. Why did they not play ?
What about the window cleaners at UEFA head office ? What do they say ? The big question is : why did rangers not take up the place in euro football they won last season ?
Answers ?
Rangers Football club founded 1872 became an incorporated football club in 1899. As required by FIFA UEFA SFA association football requirements. That club is being liquidated as recorded at companies house.
If Rangers get away with Charles Green's ridiculous notion, all world association football will end up in financial anarchy and confusion.
New Rangers put forward a petition to be a member of ECU. They put a load of nonsense into the petition which was knowingly misleading (sound familiar?). No one was arguing against the new Rangers argument. I'm sure when knowledgeable and educated people enlighten ECU to the reality of new Rangers true legal status as a brand new club, they will revise some of their statements.
New SEVCO Rangers is not old historical Rangers founded in 1872 and forced to incorporate in 1899 to meet association regulations. As companies House shows THAT Rangers is in liquidation. THAT Rangers was a founding member of ECU. It is being liquidated by BDO as I write.
Charles Green's Sevco5088 Rangers Founded 2012 is a brand new club. It has never played a game in the SPL or Europe. Someone ought to write to ECU and put them right on that.
A company's GOODWILL refers to a takeover or merger of a solvent trading concern. It includes trading contacts, relationships, etc,.... But does not include a liquidated companies remnant relationships from a failed CVA. Nor does it include a liquidated club's Sporting achievements and playing history, that's just ridiculous.
Green, when discussing what he had purchased as assets never mentioned "goodwill" for several weeks. It was an afterthought late strategy, an angle.
How many revised/ rewritten purchase agreements have Green/ D&P signed and back dated?
@2 Same press coverage ? is Jabba not away to a NEW job with the NEW Rangers. Just askin like
Tambhoy
14 Dec 2012 13:09:53
Just a random thought.We have seen and heard various statements from Chuckie for weeks now regarding everything from share issues to sponsorship with the Dallas Cowboys( stop sniggering at the back!) and Adidas falling over themselves to grab a piece of this investment vehicle.It has been widely reported that the media and PR advice chuckie has received has been first class,pandering to the lowest base of the rangers support for me,but certainly selling season books and it looks like shares.So why would anyone be in a rush to appoint a Media director? Why would you approach a tired, out of touch sports editor of a pathetic,laughable excuse of a newspaper? The world of media and spin moves at lightning speed due to the Internet but,as anyone who ever read Traynors lazy ramblings,he is clearly an analogue man.Could it be that with Traynors "apprentice boy" Jackson taking control of the ranger allied to the truly dreadful Ian king in the scum,green is aiming to gain some sort of control of the sports pages? Is there perhaps some bad news lurking around the corner that will need to be managed? There seems to be a stench of "murrayist" tactics in the air.One thing that is for certain is be prepared for some truly incredible positive stories leaking from ibrox and by design more stories of Celtic players leaving,in revolt etc.You have to assume that Traynor is on,i would guess,a package of around at least 200k p/a,can any gers fan really think thats justifiable in the current climate? Considering his "rangers are dead" statement i look forward to our digital warriors exposing him for the washed out old hack he is.............green jhedi
Don't forget 'Scoop' Jackson at the DR. He wrote an article this week that was 99% in backing Green in his quest for transfer fees. He 'balanced' the piece with a few lines saying the union 'maybe had a point' as well.
I cannot comment on players contracts etc at Ibrox, but I can comment on a national, Labour supporting newspaper - in our small country that prides itself on its socialist ideals and industrial heritage. To overwhelmingly question the motives of a UNION, when a company was driven into liquidation due to complete and utter immoral/criminal mismanagement staggered me.
If the Daily Record reported on a similar matter, in the shipyards for example - and questioned the unions' motives for representing their members - what would happen? They would never sell another paper in this country. Think the Sun and Hillsborough on a national scale.
...............kbt1978
GJ as the Scotsman reported and summed it up - James Traynor exits journalism to become the Malcolm Tucker of Ibrox, wooed by Charles Green who rewards his new communications fixer with an eye-watering salary and as much as succulent lamb as he can possibly eat.
He wrote a spiel on his way out of the Record about being disillusioned with social network sites and online bloggers so to be Head Of Communication lol. I give it a year at the most ~ Mrs E
@Mrs E; My point exactly.Traynor and the rest were shown to be sheep by various bloggers who questioned if the accepted regimes were in fact doing the job they are overpaid to do.Listen to the bumbling,stuttering press idiots on clyde when they are asked a direct question. Even last year Keevins and king claimed they never checked web sites or blogs,how stupid do you need to be not to keep an eye on your main competitors?..........green jhedi
14 Dec 2012 11:50:18
News of Kenny Miller linked with St Mirren reminds me of Craig Whytes rangers attempt to buy St Mirren for their SFA and SPL share merge them with rangers and then fold st Mirren. I recall st Mirren director sacked for having rangers finance director in boardroom pouring over accounts (Gary elspie?). This was PRE administration and evidence for BDO of an agenda to liquidate.
I also recall SDM on TV after Whyte went into admin stating "what I cannot understand was why he did it so soon" get that on YouTube because its evidence SDM knew whyte was going into admin. Bdo need to look into that also.
Why were the players not sold to save the club by d&P but allowed to be free on TUPE? Criminal!
The thing that gets me and I am sure BDO will look into this after much scrathing of their heads.
How can you buy a club all its history, assets and everything else the Mr Green alledges he bought for £5.5 million and in a matter of months Ibrox has tripled in value on its own with out any work being carried out.
I would think between CG and whatever consortiums and D&P there are a lot of 5p 10p bumholes going just now.
Watch this space there is a lot more to come from BDO when their liquidation starts proper.
Ian
While i agree there seems to be a ton of evidence to fuel the BDO investigation but i really wont hold my breath for a scathing,possibly legal,attack on Green or the newco.I am sure i am not alone in seeing the shady dealings of even shadier people at work here.Not one football authority has denounced the "birthday celebration" nonsense of the weekend.Not one ruling body has definitively told them they are a new club.The silence from the games administrators is deafening.Has mob rule worked?Are we now scared of the threatening tactics of some rangers fans? Of course if we had ONE journalist worth the name we might have a chance of getting answers...........green jhedi
We do have one decent journalist GJ.....Alex Thomson.The only guy who wasn't affraid to tell it how it was during the admin/liquidation.I find myself reading all his blogs now,not just the oldco ones.
Jungle Bhoy.