Celtic Banter Archive October 13 2011

13 Oct 2011 22:22:00
Ed youl be distraught to hear that ive been thinking again!! (only kidding) of other possible money spinning ideas in football.. this one is for associations more than individual teams.

A while back now i posted a comment about an old firm selecct v an spl select team as a season opener / closer and it is deffo a good idea IMO.

Well this idea is a variation on this.

Have an inter FA trophy. Encompassing the top 15 ranked UEFA leagues. ( so we would sneak in at the moment...i think lol).

format is simple. Each FA has votes amongst its fans to create a select of the best players in the league say 18 players.text votes, phone votes, = some money which must be spent on say grass roots or something useful.

And enter them into a competition. 5 random groups of 3 teams, each team gets 2 games, top teams qualify for quarter finals, then the 3 next best placed, based on points, then goals scored, then goals conceded ( im sure this would seperate them out)

and straight knockout to final. Can run it as a pre season opener / closer on non world cup or euro years and max gaames would be 6 over a three/ four week period.

Problems obviously would be clubs not wanting to release players and timing of tourney.

obv cant be bothered going right into this all off the bat as lots over other connotations etc and issues and some positives

What do people think?

Evinguu {Ed007's Note - I have said for years that there should be a curtain raiser to the season as a charity event.}

Certainly ed, i know im not alone with wanting something different. RThis sorta stuff just whets my appetite i thinj there are so many ways we can jig around footie in almost every country, prob why i was getting so into the euro discussion yesterday lol. I just want change, something maybe a bit more light hearded like this or a single game like the selects or whatever or even a replica of the charity sheild, altho will end up being Celtic v Rangers (most of the time) if it was done the same way as englands cup is done lol. Although is even that such a bad thing?

Evinguu {Ed007's Note - An CFC and Rangers select against a Scotland elect? Surely the players in England's managers would let Scotland players come up for it as a friendly and charity match. It could also help repair the damage done to our reputation after last season. Make it a family affair that let kids (and authorities) see CFC and Rangers fans can get on. On that note, well done to Rangers for the planned collection for Hillsborough. I am sure you will all give generously and do yourselves proud for this very very worthy cause.}

Exactly on those lines. stuff like this would not necessrily have worldwide appeal, but would certainly make news in a hell of a lot o places for the right reasons... "bitter rivals join forces for good causes" etc. all positive and its what the scottish game especially needs positivity!!

Im glad to see someone on the same wavelength (although you have shown it before) , just want to see more of it across the board!!

I did think about posting it on gers page too, but plumped for main one since the original post was intra FA, more opinion saught positive or negative, although at this time o night prob unlikley lol

Evinguu {Ed007's Note - Yeah the English Eds asked me to look at it lol I just posted it up to see the reaction.}

Haha cheers dude, nice to see im making others go out their way about my posts too lol . a reaction is what its all about i suppose. Even if its a nah just trying to but in on some of the epl's thunder lol all constructive in my book positive or negative.

Cheers

Evinguu {Ed007's Note - The English sites talk about football with a bit of banter a lot more, rather than some of the childish muck I need to wade through (and any one editing Rangers).

Well ed one of the resons i decided to butt my way in to these sites although not really commented on many other teams pages as of yet. Most other football forums are just full of absolute garbage no matter where you go. No one willing to talk about all aspects of the game esp scottish based ones. always boils down to the old firm and the petty crap that goes with it. Or if its somewhere like Kerrydsle st, its all so bloody blinkered and rational thought and ideas seem to generally go out the window.

Also like the idea that if you do go out of line or bore someone to sleep. it either doesnt get posted by you guys or you get told to watch it or told your being a numpty, rather than regardless of your point just being told yer a pure person by the way. which does happen on here a lot, but the good stuff at least gets to come to the fore. That said i willl call someone a person if in my opinion they are being so lol.

Anyways i will sit back and see at sompoint tomorrow what ideas others may have if any,

Thats my view on life as a whole, its all about sharing ideas (preferably constructive) and finding ways to impliment them for the enjoyment and betterment of everyone.

A pleasure as always Ed, night.

Evinguu {Ed007's Note - People complain about Tony, FF81 (is he in a Spainsh jail??) etc coming on, but they will banter away and discuss stuff which IMO is better than just slagging each other off about years old stuff that we all know and have done a million times before. I am all for some good open debate and we have done it with some touchy subjects, and I do try to be fair as well as be a WUM when it is needed. Night mate, God bless.}

Like the idea of an old firm vs epl select , only problem being, we could end up getting totally pumped and being embarrassed even more, just think of ur top old firm 11 and match it against epl top 11

Gers fan here Why not an SPL top 11 rather than just old firm ? {Ed007's Note - I was thinking if it was the Glasgow teams against a Scotland select that players from the other teams could get a chance in the Scotland side. If it was an SPL v EPL select then by all means make it from all clubs. Make it a family affair, like a carnival to get kids enjoying a day out at the football mixing with other fans, competitions for kids, photo ops with trophies and players from past and present etc.}

Fair point dude we would get our asses felt in that scenario.

I was meaning an old fifm select v an SPL select, which would be a lot closer, Or putting each top leagues teams in a tourney, yes the spl team would prob get humped,by your spanish and english etc etc, But i think it would be a brilliant spectacle with some of the dream teams you could get out of leagues like Italy, spain england etc. Almost like making a team on FIFA!

Evinguu

Ed that is exactly the sort of atmosphere intended!! spot on, what the game needs!

Evnguu {Ed007's Note - Thanks mate. The whole country needs to do something to try to lose the image that we are all red faced, foaming at the mouth bigots, and let the ones who are know that they will not win. CFC and Rangers fans could take their wife and kids along and sit with their mates family from the opposition. If you can't sit and behave at a charity football match in front of your own wife and kids you really shouldn't be allowed near a football stadium.}

Haha foaming at the moouth bigots stirs up some wonderful mental images, maybe we could have a bigots/idiots stand at matches, a free for all standing area where all the idiots can go and beat the living crap out of each other for 90 mins, with no intervention, we can just watch them slowly erradicate themselves from the gene pool?maybe a tad nazi like in ideology here but hey they are asswipes.


Evinguu {Ed007's Note - Half time entertainment ;-)

13 Oct 2011 21:12:35
After the last 2 weeks of posts & now were back to the football side of things.

Thoughs on the kille game lads ? A think 2-0 hooper & either stokes or bangura

Come on you bhoys in green
Lenny

Is that the same hooper stokes and bangura that didnt score against hearts haha

13 Oct 2011 19:12:39
I hear we're having a serious look at McFadden and he might be joining us.

No chance of doing exactly the same thing to sort out our defence?

Arne Freidrich?
Marco Materazzi? (probably too old but he's a leader, an experienced CB that unlike Majstorovic would actually show his experience and our defence needs both).
Lloyd Samuel?
Carlos Diogo?

Other random players on free that might be worth looking at: Kelvin Etuhu, Mohamadou Diarra, Michael Stewart, Mustafa Salifou, Richard Kingson.

13 Oct 2011 16:56:24
This site just makes me laugh, not so long ago all you were saying never touch McFadden he is finished and all that. Now its in the paer stating he could be signing he is the best thing since sliced bread. ONLY ED007 states he is against it and always has stated he was (I dont normally agree with him tho) Get a grip Celtic fans can you not all see he is and always will be a one man player, injury PRONE BIG TIME and will spit the dummy the same as Commons has. HOPE YOUS GET HIM. LOL {Ed007's Note - Thanks mate. I am not going to change my opinion on a player just because he might sign for us. I wonder what CFC fans would be saying if he was signing for Rangers?}

You obviously don't read all the posts before jumping right in there numpty.

Jungle Jim

McFudden lol. The guys finished and barring a couple of wonder goals for Scotland was rotten anyway. Totally overrated at his peak so will be woeful now.

The original poster should take a look at the other mobs site, prior to Goodwillie signing for Blackburn, he was the next McCoist. when he signed for Blackburn, suddenly no-one wanted him near ibrokes!

DazzaBhoy

13 Oct 2011 16:30:33
AGM tomorrow McFadden in signing talks hhmmm what a coincidence. Just so the board can take the heat off themselves. What they don't realise is we don't want him he is just another maloney, play 5 miss 25. And although I ain't a fan of McCourt 2 of them are same kind of player. Both flatter to decieve!! Wot you think Ed?? {Ed007's Note - I am against signing McFadden 100%}

13 Oct 2011 15:12:58
Can see it now Mcfadden will be more inconsistent than sammy but will get no stick from fans {Ed007's Note - I think he is being brought in to fill Maloney's place in the treatment room.}

Ah well then its an improvement in that area

Haha nice one Ed,

Myabe not a replacement for maloney, maybe for acting as a translator for Broonie? lol

To OP, yup think you have a point if it turns out that way, amazed we dont have the usual hes scored so many in his last so many appearances etc etc ..... yet

Evinguu {Ed007's Note - Well here it is lol McFadden is 28, has scored 64 goals in 297 club appearances, Samaras is 26 with 85 goals in 319 appearances. I don't know McFadden's most recent games/goals ratio, it was probably before the internet was invented and nobody has put it on a site yet ;-)

13 Oct 2011 14:43:01
hey Ed i have noticed by a lot of postings on here that a lot of the celtic fans think faddy will be a good signing because he is a celtic fan if i give you my big m8s number will you give it to NL cause he is a bigger celtic fan than faddy he is 50 years old weighs around the same as commons (21 stone) but most of all he loves that mediocre club of yours that much he will play for nowt lol


Tony {Ed007's Note - I know mate. You have to question some people's ability at rational thought. My brother in law still goes on about Weiss joining Rangers and how great he was/is/will be, I just shake my head at him now, there is no point even arguing with him any more.}

I can't see the point in signing him . Lenny wouldnt play Ljunberg and he is leagues better than Faddy . I dont see where he benefits the team either . When fully fit he'd be the least pacey attack minded player we have , he's average at best as a wide player and in times of shrewd financial dealings he's a drain on resources that will offer little or nothing in return . It smacks of "appeasment signing" to try and keep us sweet . We're trailing badly and the purchase of an average joe with bone china knees doesnt look like a decision that was made by a "footballing" brain .

jimi88

13 Oct 2011 14:12:37
just a thought but does mcfadden come with his own physio or are celts expecting to bring in another full time one if he signs ?!

I cant see this one making sense unless its a player with a name that the tic board are after to appease any unhappy fans whilst in 2nd...orry 3rd !..

Personally i aint too sure if a now fit mcfadden would make it into the celtic squad. Maybe so but thats the problem ... he aint as good as he was, guy prob hasnt played in 5/6 consecutive weekends for about 4/5 yrs ...he will be one of the top earners. At what point does this signing make sense.

As a blue nose id be more afraid of forrest than mcfadden.... mcfadden would he even get a game for scotland ? i remember levein snubbing him wen he was fit...did burley not do the same?

Germinator

Gotta agree with you Germinator. IS this going to be a case of the board going look weve signed an EPL class player to appease the fans? ... possibly they have done it before a few times.

I still think like i mentioned earlier, with the right attitude and hard work he still has somthing to offer to Celtic as on his day can be very good. Just not consistantly... are we possibly looking at another sameras here, looks like he has all the ability in the world, but cannot put it into a performance??

I think 'That goal' in france has kindof hindered his career, it went downhill from there, folk expected that every week from him esp the scottish media when he played for scotland after that. Was it that he couldnt handle the pressure? or the extra work he may have out in fitness wise to hit those heights have a knock on effect on him and creating injury problems? who knows.

AS a (what i like to think) fair minded celtic fan, if he signs i will support him and wish him well, i can question the judgement before the deal is even confirmed and done but if it goes through theres only one way we are going to find out what he can do and thats get on the park and make a positive contribution to the team. Jurys out... if he signs.

Evinguu

13 Oct 2011 13:28:58
Ed why take my post about how much money we could make by selling players.. Coz the way they have started this year not bad business IMO! trickycelt. {Ed007's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry.}

Sorry Ed just alot got posted in short time trickycelt.! {Ed007's Note - No worries mate.}

Ed well can I your View on my point of getting rid of some players make a healthy profit get better quality in.!? {Ed007's Note - I have said for a while there are a few players I wouldn't mind seeing leaving, either with a profit being made or not. It depends on who you are talking about leaving, I wouldn't just sell any one for the sole reason of making a profit.}

13 Oct 2011 13:01:16
Hey Ed, not read the papers yet, is this McFadden story true? Not sure what to make of this, I've never really thought he was a top class player. He has occasional flashes of brilliance but that's not enough for me. He reminds me of a player we already have at the club......Miko {Ed007's Note - It seems as though they are in talks Miko.}

13 Oct 2011 11:49:05
Cmon Ed, there were at least 3 EPL clubs all trying to sign McFadden. I personally think its a good bit of business. Can you tell me who is any better than him at Celtic right now? As results show otherwise. This is the same guy who , just a couple of years back was a minimum £6m man. He is now free from injury so got to be worth a punt. Unless we just stay with Stokes , Forrest, Mc court, Samaras etc. Seems an easy choice to say "unfortunately" were gonna sign him, give the guy a break, Celtic supporter too which is something were missing. {Ed007's Note - And after trials no EPL club signed him. Why is he a good bit of business for us but wasn't for them? If he proves me wrong then fine, but I doubt he will. I suppose if he scores his first goal he will be a fantastic signing to some fans, not me. He has been out injured for over a year, his long term fitness is still a major concern hence no EPL or even Championship club offering him a contract, but he's a CFC fan so that makes everything better. Why not give the players you said a chance rather than pin your hopes on McFadden? I'd take Forrest in the team any time before McFadden

Good Afternoon Ed, I agree with you over mcFadden, his recovery from a long term injury must be in doubt plus his level of fitness, no way would he be able to go right into first team, I also heard rumours of him being a disruptive influence, do we really need to take a chance, as you say give young players like Forrest their chance. Neil T {Ed007's Note - Good afternoon Neil. I hope you are keeping well. I honestly can't see what McFadden offers the squad that we don't already have. He supposedly held talks with Rangers during the summer, and that was when they were struggling to get players, but they didn't follow up on the talks.}

I think its fair to say the players i mentioned have all had a chance and look at us, trailing Rangers by a mile already.So to say give them a chance doesnt hold any water with me. Wolves offered him a contract. Everton wanted him on a play as you play and im sure their were numerous Championship clubs interested but didnt bother thinking he was out of their league. He isnt great , im no arguing that but to stick your nose up at him before pulling on the hoops. I hoped for better than that from yourself. {Ed007's Note - Wolves never offered him a contract and Everton didn't offer any kind of deal I can assure you. Would you care to name any of these Championship clubs you are sure were interested because myself and all the English Eds can't think of ONE. You are admitting he isn't great but think we should sign him, why?? I am being a realist, I can't see why CFC should sign an injury prone player who by your own admission isn't great. You are willing to give him a chance solely on the fact he is a CFC supporter. If any English club had offered him any form of contract he would have signed for them without hesitation. Players do not like being unattached to a club and not getting any sort of wage, that is a fact. I would expect better from a CFC fan than being so blinkered.}

After discussion in my work - got to take the gamble ! At this moment in time, we have to. He could come to Celtic Park with a point to prove, keen to establish himself again. He's 28, not past it. - chrissy

Hi Ed, I am getting there last op took bit out of me, but slowly getting better. Bit of a pain having to rely on people if i want to go anywhere, but family and friends have been great. I count my blessings though as I saw people in hospital worse than me, but most kept their humour like fellow in next bed to me had a horrible crash on his motorbike and damaged his spine, he was in one of those metal brace type things screwed to his head and lower back to straighten his spine I think, anyway one day he was laughing and he says look what doctors are giving me IRON tablets. If you can smile like that chap it is half the batttle Neil T Ps that guy is probable fitter than mcFadden ha ha {Ed007's Note - I recently had metal pins removed from my ankle after 10 years Neil. I am still on crutches and need some more ops as well. There is always someone worse off than us, I only recently lost my dad after a 3 year fight with cancer, that keeps things in perspective for me. Chin up mate.}

I tnd to agree with ed on this one on most things. I think he is a big big risk to take, injurys and a possible disruptive influence. Also i failed to see anywhere that he got a concrete offer to play in the EPL or championship just rumour and makebeleive by the tabloids. That said i cant deny on his day he is a no bad wee player on his day, but how often does he have those days? not very to be honest. Best i could see him doing would be used as some sort of impact player from the bench. He would be a passenger in the first team as he wouldnt do his tracking back, i cant remember him ever being one to do so. So i dont think he could be in as an automatic pick everyweek, but if he comes in with the right attitude and can avoid injuryhe could do us a turn. Sadly i feel he has been one of these overhyped scottish players who have never fulfilled what is regarded as their true potential.

Evinguu

Why not pay as you play if he proves himself give him a longer deal.

As far as i was to be believed Wolves offered him a contract which was rejected by himself. You seem to be nitpicking everything i say. I said being a fan helps. You now seem to think thats the avenue im going down. Put it this way , our Fanfare signings........Bangura?? - Unproven and unheard of. Ki- Unproven and unheard of. Kayal - unproven and unheard of . I could go on and and on with that one. Some of these players look like they will be ok for Celtic......others not. What im getting at is McFadden is proven both in the EPL and the SPL. Knows what its all about. With what im hearing, worked his b***s off to get FULLY fit, he has got to be worth a go. He is a good player, no great, but a good player. We are no in the business of buying great players im afraid. If thats what you expect maybe you should be Barcelona Ed.
PS. - Once Forrest has had the same number of good games as ive got fingers on one hand then you can use him in your arguement.
I hope that McFadden doesnt stumble across this site as he may feel pretty unwanted without doing anything to merit it. {Ed007's Note - Well I can assure you that no team offered McFadden any type of deal (as far as you were believed?? Who believed you??) I hope McFadden does stumble across the page. He might eventually realise that he actually isn't as good as his agent, the media and his friends lead him to believe otherwise he would still be in England. I am not nit picking everything you say, I am giving my opinion against yours and your points, that is not nit picking. It was you that mentioned he is A CFC supporter and that is what we are needing/missing. You brought it up so it must be important to you. Why sell Maloney and replace him with someone even more injury prone? After all Maloney is a CFC fan as well.}

By the way Ed. No need to be rude to myself either. We all got opinions. We all dont need to agree with you. Thats the good thing about football. So the blinkered bit i take offence to.Also to say there were no offers and players dont like being without a club, Craig Brown has already admitted he tried to sign him but McFadden wanted a bigger move. So that answers that point. Or does Aberdeen not count. {Ed007's Note - I am not being rude. You are trying to pick an argument and failing miserably. I am still waiting for you to list the Championship teams that were interested. So Aberdeen were interested, so were Wolves and Everton, so why did he not sign for any them? Are they not bigger clubs than Aberdeen?}

You can assure me no offer came from Wolves? I didnt realize being Ed of this wee site gave you such important boardroom seats. Anyway ive said enough about the wee man noo so i will leave it to others. One last question on the subject though. Who have we got at the minute who is better than him? As a fit and in form Mcfadden would walk into the Celtic team {Ed007's Note - Yes I can assure you 100%, can you assure me it did? Or the Championship teams that were in for him that you mentioned? I do this voluntarily, you have no idea of my occupation, position or who I know. If this wee site doesn't meet your needs feel free to leave. Everything we editors say has an identification next to it, we stand by everything we say, even to people who can't think of a tag to use to allow others to follow their conversations. You have said you have said enough about it then proceed to ask a question?? Can you assure me he is fit and in form? Otherwise it is a hypothetical question. When was the last time you saw him play to compare him with anyone? A fit and in form player from any club would be a better bet than Freddie McFadden. Oh but he is a CFC fan so worth the risk eh??}

You obviously dont like me for some reason Ed so i will leave the site if that suits you. I have read some comments on here which are posted which almost take my breath away due to the nature of them but i rub you up the wrong way on 1 player and i get a serious backlash. Another post twisted from yourself and i notice no players were mentioned that you feel are better than him. Anyway, i did enjoy the site and hoped i would continue to do so but i will move on with my tail between my legs.

Joeshmo1888 {Ed007's Note - AAWW diddums.If you think that's a backlash from me you haven't been around long. You engaged me in a debate about McFadden. I twisted nothing what so ever that you said and then you proceeded to belittle me and this site. Me and all the editors put a lot of work into this for no return, don't ask our opinion on things and then spit the dummy out and try to look like a smart arse when you can't handle it or don't like our answers. Why should I answer your questions when you aren't answering mine anyway?}

13 Oct 2011 11:42:53
James McFadden is well past his sell by date, I don't know why Celtic would want to sign another injury prone midfielder, who are they going to drop for the place of McFadden? Commons? Is anybody actually happy that Celtic are going to probably spend premiership wages on an undoubted has-been player? {Ed007's Note - His wages will be nowhere near EPL levels.}

13 Oct 2011 11:12:00
Right all this TALK of this player & that player going, just work out how much we spent on these players & how much we. Could get for them.. Big difference much profit to be made! Trickycelt.