Celtic Banter Archive October 12 2015

 

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12 Oct 2015 16:52:48
I am not too bothered about Scotland not going to the Euros for the following reasons.
ON the park, players like Brown, Forrest, Gordon etc will get a decent summer break for a change, I also hope Israel fail also to rest Biton
OFF the park, I think there will be major fan trouble in France, my thinking being the English and Northern Irish fans will target the Republic fans if they get there, then the German and Polish fans will target the English, then the Eastern european countries and Albania fans will bring all their ultras and hooligans to France, no the tartan army are well out of it.

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12 Oct 2015 19:46:35
Timalloy after watching ROI terrible performance last night against Poland , I doubt if the ROI fans will be in France . M O'N's team performed with no little skill and very hard work along with no little amount of luck in defence against the World Champions on Thursday night , but the team was changed around and our two v good attacking mid fields were no longer employed in midfield . Also against Germany MacCarthy had his best ever game for Ireland but he was moved a little bit to make way for Stoke's Whelan .
Special congratulations to Wales and the North of Ireland two very small populations who have achieved marvellous results and their fans should be truly proud . The N of Ireland population 1.5 m , not all of whom support or even make themselves available to play is even more remarkable . However it's not as Kenny Shields claims that they are all born in the North of Ireland , the truth is that one third were born outside Ireland

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12 Oct 2015 20:39:26
English and ni fans targeting the republic? Stop talking absolute drivel.

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12 Oct 2015 20:59:00
Craig Brown was just saying on the radio that not 1 of the current team would have got in his team, I haven't went through them all to compare, it's still terrifying though. I wonder what Scott Brown will make of it. Bottom line, - we're going backwards. And I mean the clubs because it's us that give them the players. He also said he isn't convinced any of the U21 team will go on to play for the full team. The only one he mentioned was Christie. Celtic have to improve our whole youth set up, it's better than it was but still miles away from were it should be. Our U17 team were 3-0 down against rangers the other day, we eventually lost 3-1. For them to be beating us at that level after they've been through is an absolute embarrassment. We should be light years ahead of them at every level. For me this is where Lawwell and Park etc are most culpable, - we haven't produced a top European player for 30/40 years. Tommy Burns brought in Chris McCart 10 years ago to oversee our whole youth system. I'm sure the great man won't be impressed. The people at the top(inc Ronny) have to gut the place and start again. Not one of our youth coaches, from development level to U11's has any pedigree in the game, - who coached them? I honestly don't know if Lawwell is delusional or just totally thick!

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12 Oct 2015 21:08:01
The stuff about the fans is a bit much mate are you fishing tonight

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12 Oct 2015 21:14:25
The English clubs are hardly a great example of a nation who concentrates on youth development, but they have still brought through Sterling, Kane, Wilshere, Barkley, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain. Wales have Ramsey and Bale. PSG had a bid of £25 million knocked back for Seamus Coleman. The best Celtic have brought through in 30/40 years is Aiden McGeady, - I honestly can't get my head around it!

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12 Oct 2015 21:20:13
Congradulations to Wales and NI for qualifying,I hope Ireland qualify aswell,depends if MON gets his act together,can't believe the clamour for WGS to carry on, if Gordon was NI manager,would they have qualified?

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12 Oct 2015 23:18:45
Delphic maybe the question should't be 'who coached them ',maybe it should be 'are our youth teams being over coached and not being allowed to express themselves and are having their natural abilities stifled by having to conform to zonal marking playing one up front and other crazy 'withit trendy ideas'

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13 Oct 2015 06:10:26
People keep going on and on and on about zonal marking and 1 up front, well about 90% of other European teams do both, but the same 90% of other teams are still bringing through world class players every year. I agree with your point about the kids expressing themselves/being natural, but we also want them to be two footed, be able to control a game, etc etc. I actually don't think they train enough, - there was a stat a couple of years ago that said the German youth players worked on their game something like 30% more than the British. So if you look at the kids coming through in Holland, France, Belgium, Spain etc, they are doing something different to us. For me it's a combination of not picking the best young players in the first place and then the coaching they are getting. Hopefully young Henderson, Teirney and Nesbitt can go on and have great careers, my point was they are few and far between and seem to be at a James Forrest sort of level at best. Paul McStay was the last great player that came through our academy, and he made his debut around 34 years ago. Celtic are always in these tables that come out every year about most marketable clubs, biggest fan base etc, - I bet if you looked at the top 50 clubs in any category that everyone of them will have brought through plenty world class players in that time.

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{Ed001's Note - how many youth coaches do Celtic employ? I bet it is less than half the numbers employed by comparable German clubs, and that is as much the issue as anything.}

13 Oct 2015 08:22:30
Absolutely Ed, - they're listed on the Celtic Website. No disrespect but they don't fill me with confidence. We've just made Jim McGuiness the coach of the U16's, now I know he is highly regarded, and might go on to make a name for himself, but he isn't used to teaching kids the same way the youth coaches at Ajax for example are. Lawwell raves away about us spending £2 million a year on youth development, well it's either not enough and/or not getting spent properly. I'd like to know how much other clubs spend, because if you spent say £5 million a year but brought through a couple of £10 million players, or 1 £20 million player every couple of years it would make much more sense. It would also make highly rated kids want to come to Celtic more. Having 1 indoor facility at Lennoxtown, that's got a poor artificial surface(well it did a couple of years ago when I played 5's on it) especially with the Scottish weather is totally unacceptable, - it automatically hinders doing extra sessions and even gives the kids an excuse to not stay behind and train longer. The whole setup is flawed!

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{Ed001's Note - how much fitness work do they do? I know a lot of places in Britain are still placing the emphasis on the physical aspects of youth training, when that is pointless. You can build a physique later, the important thing is the skills, the technical bits are the ones that are most difficult to develop later in life. All the running about doing quick, short passing drills etc will build basic fitness anyway, or should do if they are being done right.}

13 Oct 2015 11:06:51
It does seem to be the technical side of things we're not getting through. It should be about touch and passing from an early age, as Ed says the physical/fitness comes post pubescent. We should get futsal or something going. Does wonders for the Spanish players. Look at Tom Rogic, arguably our best player technically atm and he came from a futsal background

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13 Oct 2015 12:38:22
Yeah I totally agree about the futsal, - I remember the Barca players talking about it years and years ago, and it has almost always been a norm for the South American players. That's my biggest problem - who is telling Lawwell, and the rest of the board what is actually going on in the football world, because he talks a good game but doesn't actually seem to know too much. I was also watching/listening to a few of the Dortmund players talking about this new bit of kit they have as part of their training. You've probably seen it, if not check it out on line, typically it was a German scientist that designed it, but the players were saying it makes a huge difference to their control/passing/vision, - exactly what we're talking about. It costs £2 million, but you have it for life. These things are investments, good coaches are investments, why is everything so hard at Celtic! These are the things that annoy me, not that we can't afford superstars, the fact we are backward in everything we do!

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13 Oct 2015 13:07:00
Think I know the kit Delphic, the large cage type thing where you pass to targets? Footbonaut lol. Hey if it works get it in. But yeah, PL is a business man not a football man.

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13 Oct 2015 15:23:14
Yeah spot on Jim!

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13 Oct 2015 21:13:57
Youths and young players seeking to become as good a footballer as possible need to take ownership of their own fitness . They use the club trainers and fitness facilities to learn the techniques and details of fitness and fitness methods and way of life . It's only the person himself who can attain full fitness . The coaches are responsible for developing the individual and team skills . We always seem to be on the right road until our players become 20 years old and should make the step- up to the first team . We just don't have the players taking this step in numbers .

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13 Oct 2015 23:01:52
So far chris, so far. RD will have been planting a few seeds. It will take a few-several seasons but we'll watch them grow. I think we need, and will see new faces gradually introduced at coaching youth level.

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13 Oct 2015 23:30:29
Maybe its a psychological thing,these young players progress and develop up through the age groups,till say they're twenty,and knocking on the first teams door,then they hit a brick wall because the manager at the time (and the (why don't we sign a £6 million player) supporters) would rather put a player who has cost a big transfer fee into the first team,than give them a chance,that must hit their confidence,specially as a big tranfer fee is no reflection of ability,hope Ronnie can walk the walk ,as well as he can taik the taik,and give young players a prolonged run in the first team if they are GOOD enough,as for 90% of teams playing zonal defence and one up front ,must be right then,. Right lads from now on we are going to play zonal defence, 90% can't be wrong,I don't care if you can't do ,it does'nt matter,at leas't you won't be in the 10% that are not up to date with the methods of how to defend a set piece.

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14 Oct 2015 06:25:58
I wasn't saying whether or not the 10% or the 90% were right, only that it had nothing to do with the fact we weren't bringing through top quality kids. Whatever system you play you should still be able be technically good from a young age. The defensive situation is a different matter, I doesn't matter if it's man marking, zonal, or a combination of both, you still have to be brave, aggressive, disciplined and put your body on the line. And as people have touched on, with zonal you have to block the runners. The 3 defenders in front of Gordon shouldn't be too deep either in my opinion, because he should still be coming for crosses, which he never does. So it's not the system, it's the players doing their jobs. The Italians were the greatest defenders that ever played the game. Deila should show them the great Milan and Juve teams from the 80's/90's - the were incredible!

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14 Oct 2015 14:30:30
I'll need to watch some old videos of Costacurta and Maldini,pretty sure they were'nt playing zonal

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14 oct 2015 20:32:09
delphic i am pretty sure you are right , the best defences are those who do zonal defending correctly. Zonal defending only works when man markers prevent attackers from getting into spaces. We cannot have our whole team man marking our playing zonal , gordon has to come for more crosses , he seems to have become very much stuck on our line recently.

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