Celtic Banter Archive May 12 2016

12 May 2016 21:33:05
All this talk of new managers got me thinking. The last (debated) successful manager not to know or fully understand Scottish football/ the Celtic institution would have been win Jansen right? Because of this do you think it's necessary for the new manager to have some sort of history of Scottish football/ Celtic?

12 May 2016 22:48:57
Apparently PL said it will be someone with a Celtic connection. I don't think that was RD downfall it was the style of football. Doesn't matter on the nationality or backround if we play exciting football and win then the fans will get behind him. If it's a Celtic man and the football is gash then the fans will want him out just as much as they did RD.

13 May 2016 06:57:19
You say it doesn't matter the background but it seems to help and the fans aren't as quick to judge. I think people that slate the way we played under RD forget the football we played under Lennon and strachan most of the time.

13 May 2016 08:56:06
Strachan wasn't celtic minded.

13 May 2016 09:57:25
Thant's not what I said Kev. Strachan had knowledge of Celtic, the demands and Scottish football.

13 May 2016 10:27:26
Some of the play under RD was very good to watch and we dominated possession in many games, but we had a very soft centre and made far too many basic errors time and time again in important games.
He got the best out of Grifiths and Tierney, but far too many of the other players never produced their best form.

13 May 2016 10:56:52
So if what PL is saying is true then if rodger or moyes doesn't want job it il be either lambert, mckay or lennon?

13 May 2016 11:19:40
I haven't enjoyed watching Celtic for a long time maybe end of last season but Europe last season and this season as well as domestic has been a pure embarrassment the absolute school boy errors we do to concede goals. I don't remember seeing so many under any other managerial reign.

13 May 2016 12:28:48
Bravetart - interesting point, my wife has routinely stated this season:
'I don't know why you watch Celtic, it just makes you upset and you never seem to enjoy it! '

We've scored some great goals, but the constant backward passes and the amount of time we have our centre backs on the ball really frustrates me. This combined with the errors/ and getting out fought, makes for tough watching.

Parkhead should be a fortress, recently teams feel they can come here and get something out of us by applying a bit of pressure. Even Scott brown has been out muscled this year - if he's not fit, don't play him.

14 May 2016 18:46:18
WGS suffered throughout his time at Celtic, because he wasn't one of us . Many now want to wipe that under the carpet .

12 May 2016 19:41:57
Anyone else think the bookies have PL on commission, first moves then Lambert, could be Rodgers flying home now Keane oh wait Martinez has just been sacked. It will no doubt be Lennon!

12 May 2016 22:50:59
It was the same last time then completely out the blue came Ronny Deila. Maybe there may be a similar outcome this time round.

12 May 2016 16:42:19
Huw Jenkins has admitted Swansea spoke to Rodgers before offering a new contract to their current manager? This would suggest Rodgers might have something in line already ( not saying us ) can't see him crossing the devide to Everton though?

12 May 2016 17:12:07
Strong internet rumours that either Rodgers or Roy Keane are the only two names being considered by DD and that Steve Clarke is being lined up as number 2 to either manager.
We will all know shortly how true these rumours are.

12 May 2016 19:26:03
I can't understand why we would insist on who the new managers assistant will be! Whoever gets the job should be allowed to appoint their own backroom staff as this is who they trust and work well with! Who's to say the new manager and Clark would hit it off or work well together! It doesn't make sense to me.

12 May 2016 19:40:18
Can't see either of them having a number 2 forced on them
Also can't see Steve Clarke stepping back down to a number 2

12 May 2016 19:48:02
Rodgers assisted by Clarke would do for me, don't see our board splashing that sort of cash though .

12 May 2016 15:40:24
Just thinking outside the box from the usual Linked managers, what about avb would we be able to attract him wants a fresh challenge.

12 May 2016 15:59:49
I like that idea although admittedly I have no clue what he has been doing since his Chelsea days . Think they pulled the trigger too early with him it like Rangers an le guen . Although the similarities of him / Ronny being the big job came too soon? Is he out of work? Cost? Wage expected?

12 May 2016 16:05:06
I mentioned him few weeks ago.
Has picked himself back up after his tough spell in England and done well in Russia
He is out of contract in the summer but is talking about taking a year off.

12 May 2016 16:41:49
Great shout but I think and hope we have already sorted out who is stepping in as new manager.

12 May 2016 16:51:15
He isn't celtic minded or irish . so no chance.

12 May 2016 17:56:19
The only way it should be DRB
Lol
Hail Hail king Lenny.

12 May 2016 19:04:11
Not one of my requirements

12 May 2016 20:50:23
Am with you kev, Irish or Celtic minded doesn't cut it anymore . Would we turn down kllopp, pep or mourinho for these reasons? Think not . All I want is a manager who can get the best out the squad, have some tactical nouse and make sure we 1st qualify / then aren't embarrassed in Europe.

13 May 2016 01:24:39
Agreed. Being 'Celtic minded' has nothing at all to do with the job. Being capable is the quality, sadly that's what the current incumbent was missing!

12 May 2016 13:39:48
See that's martinez got the bullet, moyes will be off the cards for us then.

12 May 2016 13:53:22
Was thinking that myself. Rodgers has also been mooted for that job in recent days too.

12 May 2016 14:17:48
I wouldn't mind martinez for our job.
Ye had a tough year at Everton but I like that he tries to play attacking football

12 May 2016 14:42:07
Seems pointless Kev, the exact same things folk moaned about Ronny Martinez does.

12 May 2016 15:13:16
Martinez would be a disaster! His last two season at Everton have been shocking, consistently makes the same mistakes and doesn't change. Bit like us! No point in playing attacking football when you can't defend a 2 goal lead. I'd like Rodgers as I think his tactics are attractive but less gung Ho, whoever it is who we appoint I pray they have a good track record at developing youth as I feel it's the way forward for our club, and we have a terrible record for developing players from our academy to 1st team players. Any suggestions?

12 May 2016 15:31:51
They seem to think that Frank de Boer will get the Everton job.
I personally wouldn't want Martinez at Celtic, he's popular with the media, but his teams can't defend. He got Wigan relegated because he couldn't sort their defence out, and he's supposedly had Everton's best squad of players in years, yet he couldn't even get them into the top half of the league, again because their defence is awful.
I think that Celtic can do a lot better than that.

{Ed023's Note - Isn't Rodgers in line to take over at Celtic?}

12 May 2016 15:46:15
Martinez was hailed as The next best thing at Wigan, but the defensive flaws have followed him to Everton and he almost got them relegated too.
There will be quite a few vacancies at big clubs in England over the next few weeks for one reason or another and it will have a 'chain reaction' on managers being hunted, so we better get in there smartish before we are left with the left-overs and dregs.

12 May 2016 15:54:45
According to some rumours ed023. He has been offered the job.

{Ed023's Note - Would you be happy with him?}

12 May 2016 16:05:20
Ed023, Rodgers seem quite a popular choice amongst most . Myself include . To the fans, this is the level of manager / board showing there is some ambition . Wether we get someone of that standing? Time will tell but after the season we have had, it's good to have some optimism ( short term ) till they do what we all beleive n fear . Appoint Lennon.

{Ed023's Note - Personally I'm not a fan of him as I've witnessed first hand how inept he can me being a Liverpool fan but on the other hand I can see why fans wouldn't mind him as their manager}

12 May 2016 19:56:01
I thought Rodgers wasn't one for giving youth the nod?

12 May 2016 10:04:31
Just read that DD is very much involved with the search for our new manager.
Seems he has hired an executive search agency to help.
You heard anything about this ED?

{Ed007's Note - That's a belter too. Who was it, NASA?}

12 May 2016 11:04:09
They'll be trawling LinkedIn and Monster for the best CV's as we speak.

{Ed007's Not - I wonder if this could be related? https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasas-kepler-mission-announces-largest-collection-of-planets-ever-discovered

12 May 2016 12:04:10
I've heard it's mi5 😂😂some folk believe any old nonsense on social media.

12 May 2016 13:20:47
It's Mark Warburton. He's a fountain of knowledge, has brilliant contacts and knows the answer to what's best for us, The Scottish Game, and basically anything he's questioned on.

12 May 2016 13:34:43
Came fae Phil macgiollabhain blog

{Ed007's Note - Hahahahaha! It must be true then. (facepalm)

12 May 2016 13:35:28
And that a female sports agent in charge of search

12 May 2016 14:18:59
Never said it was true ED just asked if you had heard anything similar.

{Ed007's Note - There's not many people that hear anything similar to the things Phil hears.}

12 May 2016 14:38:21
Don't know much about him to be honest
Was just on celtic news now I seen it.

{Ed007's Note - It's like everything else on the internet, Kev, it's up to you what you want to believe. Your post was the first I've heard of it. Look at it logically, for a start I can't see PL accepting this at all, he is CEO and this would seriously undermine his position and control, imo his ego just simply wouldn't allow this to happen as it would undermine his whole professional reputation, who would want to be known in the world of finance as a club CEO that can't source a manager at a club the size of CFC, or isn't trusted to?
If the Club have went down this road (any money won't be coming out of DD's pocket, that's a certainty for a start) what the hell are Peter Lawwell and John Park doing in all this, if DD thinks there's nobody at one of his major companies that can't, or that he doesn't trust, to make these decisions then Lawwell MUST be leaving along with Park. Has he perhaps hired an agency to source a new CEO and supply a short-list of candidates?
Who's running the Club, the board, PL and JP or this agency, and what if the the three of them don't get on from the start? I've never heard of any ex-players or managers going to work for any agency that supplies managers to football clubs.
Did Phil mention what agency is this and how are they qualified to make this decision for CFC - "who are these people?" :=o
As a supporter would you be happy knowing there's nobody at the Club with the knowledge or savvy to appoint a manager, with all the contacts that have been built up over the years, DD's friendship with the likes of MON etc and we need an agency to find us a manager?
If PL & JP are staying - and this is right - then if it goes wrong this time Lawwell and Park can just blame this agency. So Phil is saying that DD doesn't trust PL to find us a manager but is still going to let him have the excuse of him not picking the manager if it goes wrong - that doesn't really make sense does it?
Any advice DD needs he can get for free from some of the most knowledgeable people in the game who are all better qualified to pick a candidate than any agency. You need to rely on people who have experience in the field so I'm not buying it, Kev.}

12 May 2016 16:31:00
Why do we need NASA fur Ed when Big Isa is out of this world :-D.

{Ed007's Note - (fubar)

12 May 2016 17:19:36
I ain't really one for the trolling through the Internet.
Only use this site celtic news now and Facebook so that's why I asked.
But I have said from the beginning that I thought DD would be the one dictating the job this time similar to when he stepped in over oneill and Strachan

{Ed007's Note - DD deciding who is the manager is totally different from bringing in an outside agency to do it. PL knows more about what it takes to run a football club than DD or any agency ever will, that's why DD pays him what he pays him. DD and Lawwell will be working together on this and both will know exactly what is happening.}

12 May 2016 08:17:34
1 thing that annoyed me about last night was when we had the ball on the wing close to there penalty box instead off whipping in crosses we would end up back at the half way line. last night's pitch was so bad and cut up also a night for ckr up top to try knock down and hold up need to be more direct imo rather than playing football take there 1st goal for example. what I'm meaning really is whoever we get in needs to have a plan a b c and plays to a players strength rather than a system Leicester is the perfect example right now.

12 May 2016 10:47:52
Good riddance Imo sick of this get the ball out wide cut inside pish. Could probably have counted the amount of crosses Janko and Izzy put into the box it was cut inside square pass very reminiscent of Forrest and now Roberts who needs "coached" to go out side too as he's predictable. Agree Gordon we have no other plan it is 4-3-2-1 or throw on an extra striker and hope for the best the players don't know what they're doing when that happens. Can you imagine if we had a manager that could turn these games around. Griffiths has been stifled a lot on the back end of the season if we had a coach that could tactically turn the game around back in our favour imagine how many extra goals Griffiths could've scored this season.

{Ed007's Note - So now it's RD's fault Griffiths didn't score more than 40 goals in a season. Didn't you just post elsewhere we should play 2 up front, do you think LG would have scored 40 goals playing with a partner up top? No chance.
And isn't that just throwing another striker on for the sake of it, exactly what you're accusing RD of doing?}

12 May 2016 13:07:06
Wee Roberts on the right wing favours cutting inside and shooting, most times and defenders will nullify this easily. Obviously going outside would need a cross with his right foot and that is a weakness he needs to work on.
The good old days of playing left footers on the left wing and so on seems to have been abandoned to allow them shots at goal - it's a real shame many professional footballers can't all kick a baw with either peg.

12 May 2016 13:23:29
It really makes me cringe when people go on about having 2 up front because they think it'll create more chances/ score more goals.

12 May 2016 13:44:25
People just don't understand PP. They see that graphic before the game on TV and assume that's exactly where people play. Perfect example was after the RC semi final this term. People crying we should have played two up front. Without even realising that when we scored, we in fact had two up front! And going down to 10 men didn't make it difficult either. This incredibly common misconception that we, like most sides, only play one formation is annoying.

12 May 2016 15:52:53
What Celtic need is a manager/ coach who can teach players the basics of the game.
I don't know what they are doing in training, but the amount of times I see our players unable to control the ball or pass it accurately is shocking.
I don't think it matters what formation you use, if the players keep making mistakes then the formation doesn't matter.

12 May 2016 22:04:14
R D played very badly last night . First under the disquise of Johanson he dallied on the ball in his own penalty area, he allowed the ball to hit a bumb on the pitch and run away from Stefan . A couple minutes later he had Efe& Bailey going for the one ball and the ball broke for their second goal.
Thank God we are getting rid of RD, mistakes like these won't be made by a new manager.

12 May 2016 23:31:26
Ed RD picks the team. Why is he leaving again? Because he can't improve the team that's his own words! Johansen has been absolutely shite OldBhoy all season so why put him in? Unsurprisingly had no impact on the game until he gives away a goal. Efe has been shite ever since he signed for is and again is just a bombscare in defense. Deilas style of football is so boring why do you think so many fans don't bother turning up? Because the boring wmbarrassing football we have been playing. A good manager would get the wide men playing wide putting in crosses providing DECENT service for our lone striker. Instead they just play narrow and come inside everytime it is so easy to defend against. A good manager will be able to turn the game in his favour tactically so the point I was making was if RD was any good tactically. which he isn't and turned all these uninspiring performances around Griffiths would have bagged a few more goals it's hardly rocket science to understand that. Plus you had Janko and Izzy bombing forward and you could have counted on one hand the amount of crosses they put in the box. What does RD teach these guys because it looks like f**k all. So people need to get their tongue out this guy's arse.

{Ed007's Note - Right then Einstein, explain why you're not praising RD for helping LG score us 40 goals this season, do you think LG is happy RD is leaving after everything he's done for him? Do you Oh Wise One think that LG thinks he would have scored more goals thus season:-

a) If RD changed his tactics?
b) If he played with another striker?
OR
c) If he had worked harder, not missed so many 'sitters' and not missed so many penalties?

LG's CFC career could be over if the new manager doesn't fancy him as a player or a person. There's no guarantees that the next manager can keep LG focused on the right things the way RD did. Will the next manager need LG to score 40 goals next season or he will see him accused of wasting his career.
You come out with more and more bizarre points just to have a dig at a guy that won us 2 league titles, even to the point of blaming him ofr a guy that missed , was it 4, penalties, not scoring more than FORTY goals - it's nothing to do with tonguing anyone's arse, I leave that stuff to clownshoes like you - if you talk as much sh1te as you write on here you'll be leaving a deposit. Half that post is not just irrelevant whining but it actually shows that you don't really know much about football let alone what goes on at CFC. It looks like a list of red top headlines you've memorised to repeat ad hoc when anyone praises RD. Here's my personal favourite:

'A good manager would get the wide men playing wide putting in crosses providing DECENT service for our lone striker.'

THE GUY SCORED FORTY GOALS - AND DID HE DO ALL THAT HIMSELF?

So back to the actual point, you're saying that a player that has admitted he was on his way out the Club 18 months ago and has now went on and scored 40 goals in a season but RD never played any part in that? Behave yourself. It's sad day when a fan can't give a CFC manager the credit and respect they deserve, even I give NL credit where it's deserved and for 3 years his ass was too hot too lick because I though the sun shone out it.}

12 May 2016 02:55:42
Where did it all go wrong? Before I start these were my thoughts last April / May . I remember that I was quite at ease looking foreward to the season 2015/ 16 and beyond . I was very happy after some poor performances especially in Europe RD seemed to have tightened up the defence and got us playing again . This time last yr it appeared that he had bought well and that GMS and Armstrong were on their way to very good Celtic careers . Griffiths had shown us he could be the striker tha would score a bag-ful off goals . Bitton and Rogic were improving regularly and Commons and Brown could play for yrs . Our ist choice full backs Lustig and Izzy could continue up and down their wings pressurising our opponents . We were probably needing 2 centre backs but I didn't see getting them a big problem .
Where did it go wrong, players who had shown improvement under R D tutorage regressed . The smile left the faces of Armstrong GMS, everyone had lost their touch, everyone had tired remarkably after an hour I had my hopes a year a go but for some reason they all fell apart . The one bright spot was the introduction of K Tierney a remarkable young left back . Not only an attacker like his predecessor Izzy but bhoy can he not tackle . Maybe left back and striker are the only two positions to improve in the whole team . We went out of Europe in a whimper, he were put out of league cup but then we were given an opportunity for the players to put a smile on our faces we were drawn against the new Rangers, a team not four yrs old . Nothing could go wrong against this mottle crew of inferior players . We played or rather our team watched them for not only 90 mins but another 30 =120 mins total. In my opinion Rangers were the worst team we have played against in 20 yrs . We disgraced ourselves, I still don't understand what happened . Personally I and think most of our players were fighting with someone or something to do with club . To illustrate how bad they were on one occasion that we had the ball in their half, one of our attacking players ran from fight to left and 3/ 4 Rangers followed leaving Lg unmarked unfortunately took him a wee while getting ball under control and chance was lost . We couldn't be so bad unless we tried .
I think it can't only be R D and J C fault, it seems far deeper than that . Our new manager will have to be v observant and get to the root of what ever is wrong with them.

{Ed007's Note - We've had our spats, Chris but I think that's your most sensible post to date. Bang on the money for me.}

12 May 2016 06:29:18
Your missing the point, it is, was only Ronnies fault, all the failures you describe, became failures because Ronnie let things slide, let little things grow and become big things, he should have been in control, he should have been a manager, in the end I am confused as to what Ronnies actual job was, if you listen to some on here he was completely blameless and should be given a rousing send off.

12 May 2016 12:15:49
There were so many games where we were left feeling flat and frustrated by either the lack of fight, imagination or the old favourite - plan B.
Far too reliant on Grifiths and more worryingly young guys like Tierney and Roberts because time and time again, too many experienced Internationalsfailed to perform.
The drop in form and even effort from guys like Brown, Johansen, Gordon, Lustig, Commons and Bitton from the season before has not been explained or remedied and the promise shown by GMS and Armstrong evaporated with the lack of confidence and consistency.
Then there were the counter productive additions of Blacket, Ciftci, Cole and CKR causing more disruption.
The cup defeats were as you say totally avoidable and hard to stomach and the EK game was embarrassing too.
Overall a bit of a horses arse of a season - but will the club learn from it? Answers on apostcard please.

12 May 2016 22:22:59
Aindoh how do you know that R D is to blame for everything that has gone wrong . However I think this is a simpleton's answer . Any idiot can assign blame on to some down trodden and abused individual in the knowledge that other ridiculers will agree .
R D definitely had good knowledge and good ability as a Manager, however it became more and more apparent as this season came to a close that R D's managerial skills were not suitable to bring the present group of players forward . I have my ideas but I think there is no need to mar R D 's departure by rumour and anti rumour about R D's time at Celtic, . Suffice to say he was a hard working manager who didn't work out.