Celtic Banter Archive May 11 2012

11 May 2012 21:56:55
Midnight
one more night without sleepin' -
Watchin'
till wee sally starts greetin.
Green door
what's that secret you're keepin'?
there's a battered auld safe
thit thur tryin tae opun
behind chico greens door
don't know what they're doin'
But they must be spewin behind the green door.
Wish they'd let me in
So I could jist jine in
behind chic greens door.


Door slammed
hospitality's thin there.
bailiffs n tax inspectur thuv been there.
Saw an eyeball peepin' through a smokey cloud
Behind the green door

Someone laughed out loud
its probably "rent a crowd" behind the green door.
All I want to do
is see the guys oan the broo
behind chic greens door.

Midnight
one more night without sleepin'..
undur 18's aw the playurs .thur keepin
chico greens door,
looks like s**te huz been seepin,
noo thurs a fire sale
its no ah happy tale
behind the green door
oh whit ah joab they botched
wee craigo won a watch,
it chico greens door.
wae duff n duffur gone,
the blue nites it the pawn,
back tae the green door......

11 May 2012 20:46:25
K dot sorry if i offended you mate..i should have thought for longer as you said..but i still think there's an element off Celtic fans on here whos battle crys of dignity and morality being the corner stone of Celtics history smacks of hypocrisy and bitterness.yes both clubs have there mindless neds we've both had problems over the years that have shamed our clubs.as for clubs losing valuable cash because rangers owe them money they will lose even more cash in the long run if rangers die resulting in more redundancys,job losses and overall decline in the standard of Scottish football.we need both the old firm strong and challenging in Europe keep up the banter stop the bitterness

jacko

jacko

No probs Jacko.

K-Dot.

Jacko we thote ye hid gone,
heee heeee,
ps hows bully jean?

11 May 2012 20:06:08
Poor Brian Kennedy - He looks like Voldemort and sounds like Souness.

K-Dot.

Aye carol voldermort

11 May 2012 19:45:28
Just listening to Dave Bassett on SSN, who is in the studio giving his view on the Sheffield Utd v Stevenage game. Bassett was manager at Sheffield Utd when Charles Green was there and Bassett was asked what he thought of Green.

He said that he is totally ruthless and doesn't care what he does if it results in him getting what he wants. Basically, he's an absolute sh1t. On the first time they walked accross the pitch together Green stated if it's more profitable to grow potatoes there then he would. Bassett also stated that Green had played non league football and realy fancied himslef as being an expert on football. His last comment on Green was "Ally, watch your back".

It just gets better and better.

K-Dot.

Here see that dave basset hes up tae allsorts
whit?

11 May 2012 19:29:13
All this talk of Rangers is boring me really, I personally couldn't care what happens. Whether they are remaining in the SPL or whether they got shot down to the Third Division it doesn't bother me.

So on that note guys, just a wee bit of fun and games or something like that. In a strictly realistic manner, who would your ideal signing be this Summer? Or even what would your ideal Summer transfer window be

Completely agree. Let's get on with the nitty gritty. Who stays? Who goes? Who are the new faces arriving? Can NL sign a commanding centre back who is good in the air, mobile and distributes the ball well? Any ideas?
Liah Smit

Okay no name but i'd rather hear from real football fans. Evryone entitled to an opinion mate, but there was a guy on Clyde 1 tonight saying he wont be renewing his season ticket for himself and his daughter,if Rangers aren't there. I wonder how many more thousands of Celtic fans feel the same?
Optimistic Bear {Ed007's Note - There are a large amount of CFC fans that are planning to boycott if Rangers ARE in the SPL OP. That seems to be more the general consensus, they want to know that the club will do all it can to block Rangers getting any 'easy' treatment from the SPL and in any votes required.}

Hi Ed. Yeah i can understand that viewpoint as well, but there are others who are unhappy about the price increase, my mate got his ticket renewal in over a week ago,and there was a £58 increase. I'm not advocating Celtic fans should be punishing their own club,because that's what they would be doing, why should Celtic suffer for running their club in a proper fiscal manner, but there are a lot of fans unhappy about the increase, especially if the old firm games aren't included.
Optimistic Bear {Ed007's Note - Ah right I see where you are coming from now. I'm not one for all this boycott stuff, as I said it should be up to the individual to choose if they renew/buy a ST. All these talks of boycotts from fans from all clubs against this or that club etc, nobody has mentioned though that it is the SPL/SFA that are making the decisions, is there planned boycotts of Scotland matches? The Tartan Army must go to watch club football, what are they saying about it all and supporting a team that represents such a 'corrupt' league?}

Yep Ed got to agree i'm afraid,Scotland as a nation wont come out of this unscathed.
The SFA have to somehow find a compromise which is "fitting to the crime" while also keeping RFC in the SPL.
I don't expect too many other clubs fans to get this, but say the SPL transfer embargo is upheld next week,then all the current squad walk away,Rangers are going to be left with an under 19's squad to pick from next season. The current under 19'S are 20 points behind Celtic's under 19 squad this year, it looks pretty certain that the Rangers young boys will get relegated. So what's the point of keeping them in the SPL for another season? To supplement the finances of the other clubs? That's what sticks in our throats. The current sanctions for admin have already been implemented to the maximum,but i think a total transfer ban for the FULL season is too harsh, why not let them trade in the January window at least.
Optimistic Bear {Ed007's Note - Until the EBT FTT findings are known Rangers have done nothing different from any other club who has entered administration. I thought any transfer embargo would have been based on the clubs solvency, if someone came in, sold off the 'big' names to clear off at least any outstanding footballing debts (while behind the scenes deal with the other debts), they would let Rangers sign at least free agents. As a Rangers fan, and I am not having a pop, would you rather just start in the lower SFL than watch a team of youngsters getting ran ragged every week and 'embarrassing' the club? I used the 'embarrassing' loosely, as the youngsters would all be proud to do their bit and give their all, but how good are they expected to cope with the hard physical side of the SPL for an entire season.}

Hmmm. That's a hard one to answer Ed.
Part of me is leaning towards the third division for a few reasons.
It will allow the young boys play on a more level playing field,build their confidence,give them experience,and the chance to develop,without shattering their confidence every other week,by getting pumped. It could also give the club time to build up their finances to a degree. Lower wages,bonuses etc. But then the downside is (more than likely) a fall in attendances,say at least 15-20,000,and then theres the problem of the stadia in the lower leagues being suitable or able to cope with bigger crowds.
But the biggest quandry to me is,and this is not the usual "SPL needs Rangers" diatribe, i would quantify it more as Scottish football needs the Old Firm.
The SPL would be totally devoid of competition, unless Celtic downsize significantly.Motherwell are a half decent side,but look how far Celtic are ahead of them,and even Rangers despite the 10 point deduction. Hearts? Will Mr Romanov invest or downsize?Dundee Utd,looks like they're going to lose Russell and Mackay Steven. The league can only go downhill IMO. If that happens, what figures will SKY be advocating for future tv revenue? More money lost from our game.
If the EBT FTT cases go against RFC then it may well be over for Rangers anyway.
Optimistic Bear {Ed007's Note - I think too much emphasis is put on TV money, up here we seem to think it is the be all and end all of footballing income. Get fans through the gates at smaller clubs rather than chase TV money. CFC got to the UEFA Cup Final on a TV deal with the BBC, that was never for crazy money. TV money makes up 3% of CFC's income and we have the 10th highest matchday revenue in Europe. Look at the tickets Kilmarnock sold for the LC final, Hibs/Hearts should fill Hampden, where are all these fans week in and week out? Never mind relying on TV, rely on getting people back to games and supporting their team. Sorry about that lol. From the footballing side they could even have made it an Under 23 embargo. 23 seems to be the new cut off point between youth and adult in football (training compensation etc) so why not let Rangers dabble in that market and see how it goes?}

Ha Ha . Okay Ed you sneaked that one in.
Good idea about the under 23's,but where are we going to get them from? lol
I think my "optimistic bearishness" is diminishing after following the spat between D&P and BK. Although i must admit BK sounds convincing. I think this could be End Game,why would bidders put in a quantified offer without due diligence?doesn't make sense,If you read the breakdown of TBK's plan it equates out to £11million,Bill Miller's offer was £11.2,so why was his accepted? If the CVA route is the core problem,why accept Millers bid, not only are D&P looking incompetent, they're starting to look as bent as Amir Khans snotter box.
Anyway Ed,i'm off to bed,enjoyed the "banter"lol
Optimistic Bear {Ed007's Note - Administration has gone beyond a farce, the club has not moved on at all in three months, surely no matter the outcome, the whole administration process surrounding Rangers needs to be closely looked at?

Players out of contract at Under-23, sell the big hitters clear football debts and pay the training compensation, it has got to be a better option than looking for Under-18s for the first team, it looks as if most of the first team squad will be leaving with no viable replacement players, Under-23s would stand more chance than a team of Under-18/19. Goodnight mate, I enjoyed that wee blether there.}

11 May 2012 19:07:05
Kennedy & The Blue Knights - well, well, well.

What a bunch of charlatans.

They're talking the talk but not walking the walk.

They have been told to put up a cash offer of £8.5m.

What they have offered is £5m cash and to take on debts of £3.5m.

Quite clearly Duff & Phelps cannot accept this.

Buy hey, ho, don't let this worry you Rangers fans - the fact they can't come up with the money. All these so called wealthy Scottish businessmen who love Rangers. Just get a Hibs fan to give a rousing speech and mention Walter and Souness, and that's all you want to know about.

These guys are taking the absolute p1ss out of Rangers fans and they're falling for it hook line and sinker.

K-Dot.

Ed - correction to my above post.

Duff & Phelps have commented in relation to the bid -

"Of the £5.5 million cash on 'day one' figure Mr Kennedy quoted, £3.5 million of that would be provided by us in any case from the Club's debtors.

"The bid structure also factors in performance in Europe, and reaching the later stages of the UEFA Champions League which cannot be achieved next season for example."

So in fact, the bid was actually worse than I had originally stated.

You need to repost again K-Dot cos it's still not right. You should wait until you get the full facts before getting all excited.
Optimistic Bear

Optimistic Bear

I am reporting the circumstances as they are known at this time. Indeed, my correction post quotes what Duff & Phelps have stated on Rangers website.

You tell me what I have said is not right, but I note you don't say what is wrong with what I have said. I'd welcome your comments on what you believe is wrong.

I accept that further information is likely to come out at some later point, but I don't have a crystal ball, I can only comment on the situation as it is at present and what I have said is teh situation at present.

K-Dot.

K Dot.
"The bid structure also factors in performance in Europe,and reaching the latter stages of the UEFA champions league which cannot be achieved next season for example"
This was misrepresented by D&P to discredit the TBK's. Much the same as a smear campaign on a politician.
Brian Kennedy has contacted his lawyer to challenge D&P,for misrepresenting their stance. The BK's bid was based on exiting admin through a cva,which would not involve a three year ban from Europe. Only this year, as we haven't come out of admin in time.

"So in fact, the bid was actually worse than i had originally stated"

So how did the bid become worse?

You also had a go at the offer from TBK's,okay it is hardly substantial,but they said they were advised to reach a quantum amount of £11million,which they say they did. Bill Miller's bid was only £200,000 more.
Optimistic Bear

Optimistic Bear

As I said earlier, more information will come out and it now has from Kennedy's lawyer.

At the time of my original postings the information from Kennedy's lawyer had not been made available.

It's like me now waiting for a response from Duff & Phelps and then going back and criticising you.

To reiterate, what I posted initially was the current position at that time.

K-Dot

11 May 2012 18:39:53
Wee fatty on the tele tonight giving it, "I'm glad the three on the panel have been disclosed, we can move forward now".

What a fat, sleekit wee rat he is!.....unbelievable, lol.

Miko

He once had my respect at Tommy Burns' funeral; but he has proved on several occassions since that he is a wee sly mixing pot-stirrer who thrives on media stage managed theatrics and has a face for every one of those chins....

Jungle Jim

Well said JJ

I will always remember that he was one of 3 Scottish players at Ibrox that went to the Directors and said they didn't want Maurice Johnston to sign because he was a Catholic.

I also remember when Celtic nearly went burst in 1994, he stated, "I can't say I'm not enjoying it".

And then we all know what happened with Lenny.

He's a whispering fat slug.

K-Dot.

11 May 2012 18:02:28
The dignity is overwhelming on this site.a true bunch of morally sound tims wishing death to a club and job lossess to ordinary working class people.

the SHAMES on you bhoys

jacko

Aye Jacko - and you're lot are wishing the end of other Scottish clubs who have done NOTHING WRONG.

Try thinking more that 5 minutes ahead before the next time you start tapping your keyboard.

K-Dot.

Jacko

ordinary working folk? you having a laugh? most of dodgy daves staff over the years have been paid via this EBT thing so they maybe a bit better off than the rest of us? just a thought..

What about job losses at firms you never paid your debt to

Vambo

11 May 2012 17:06:00
Duff & Duffer are having a cinema fundraiser at Ibrokes tonight the
films showing are.....
THE UNTOUCHABLES
THE DEPARTED
hail hail Timalloy

11 May 2012 16:15:06
so yur feart ae wee penguins eddy bhoay,
well thurs a pak ae thum comin thru yur door the nite,
n if that disnae dae the trik fig rolls ur nekst {Ed007's Note - I'm fine that way Pat, but I keep pi5hing myself laughing every time I read more about Rangers.}

Langwij timothy!

11 May 2012 15:05:39
Already renewed for next Season....
Bring on 'JELLYCOPTER SUNDAY'

Celtic Forever - Hail Hail.

11 May 2012 12:41:13
Duff & Phelps 11th May 2012:-
‘And they say owner Craig Whyte has agreed to transfer his majority shareholding.
Whyte's 85% shareholding in Rangers is required for the club to exit administration via a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA).
Whyte bought Rangers from Sir David Murray for £1 in May 2011.
"We have continued discussions with the parties remaining in the bidding process and good progress has been made," read a statement from Duff and Phelps.
"We can also confirm that Craig Whyte has confirmed that he will transfer his shareholding in Rangers Football Club to two of the parties and has indicated he would not be an impediment to a sale of the club’

Duff & Phelps 3rd May 2012:-
‘Until the time of today's preferred bidder announcement, discussions were however on-going with Mr Whyte in this regard."
Whitehouse, though, was bullish that the former club chairman, who purchased Sir David Murray's shares in May last year, could not stand in the way of Miller's bid being completed.
"He has no role in this and he can't block this deal," he said’

So do they need CW shares or not lol. How do you trust these ‘professional’ folk and the cost for this advice, ach just a couple of £million.. Mrs E

The BTC was concluded weeks ago , it is apparently not good news , it has been agreed to keep this private till after the season is over , there can be no CVA done with HMRC , but they will allow Rangers to pay off their liabilities over a period of time .

I would not have a problem with them paying off owed cash,the time scale for payments would be interesting though.........green jhedi

Like anybody if they pay their dues as we all have to do then fine, start low and work back to a healthy position - whats all this s**te about sounes and smith joining with murray and kennedy boy? who else DJ of real radio? ted mcminn? gazzza? GTF more bull to keep fans happy

Souness played well before the megabucks epl. He is just being named to keep the natives quiet. When the assets are sold all these people will be bidding and the winners can start a new rangers debt free. Maybe even sell shares.

11 May 2012 01:02:39
EBTs are not tax evasion but are legal tax avoidance schemes used up and down the country in all types of business. A few Celtic players had them too. No cheating involved. The players that were attracted by them at Rangers had them at their previous clubs and that's why they were used. Too few people understand what they are. The Revenue have 5000 of these schemes to look into. No financial doping involved as they were available to all clubs and are still available. {Ed007's Note - This has been covered umpteen times before.}

That's funny, I thought HMRC were involved in some litigation with the Rangers for tax evasion...........are you David Murray? lol

Miko

Yawn.

K-Dot.

Name the celtic players that had them? i am sire that brian quinn advised celtic not to consider ebt's because they would come back to bite us on the a**e just like rankers