Celtic Banter Archive October 10 2013

10 Oct 2013 23:01:23
Just watched the St Johnstone/ Caley thistle game from the weekend.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/24423152

Stevie May has got to be on Celtics radar surely? Some player on and off the ball. that's a poacher and that's what we need.

European standard? Possibly, def get us they goals we need in the SPFL and cup games we are missing!

What do you think?

Have to agree if he's scorin for st Mirren he will have a lot more chances at paradise and should not cost much. maybe him and watt up front in the future. hooper came from Scunthorpe, hardly world beaters {Ed007's Note - CFC watched him a few times when he was on loan at Accies. And it's St Johnstone he is with not St Mirren.}

10 Oct 2013 19:13:17
I have read that a lot of early morning raids took place for singing an offensive song at Celtic pk, so we expect a lot of barrack doors to be kicked in, in the next few weeks with a good few bears doors going in aswell, another thing does it seem suspicious that nearly all you tube footage of the army faces and rangers fans was took down the minute it hit viral and was becoming a story, or is it that we are just paranoid or maybe it's a conspiracy these are a few words the men that don't exists like to put in the place of the truth, it's that blatant its scary, jodrock the English tim

10 Oct 2013 11:24:23
I see over on the dark side the sevconians are heralding the return of Dave King to the Sevco board, did Stewart Regan not state last year that such an appointment would not be tolerated as Mr King did not meet the "fit and proper person" criteria, are this club going to be allowed to waive the rules once again, are Regan and Co going to allow it?
Finn

I know there has been a lot of quoting from the newspaper article on Social Media of Stewart Regan:-

'It also emerged that Rangers director Dave King will not be permitted by the SFA to be an official at the Ibrox Club post-administration as he was serving on the board when they entered their current insolvency event under Whyte'

I just don’t know about this statement, this article was before liquidation therefore does not refer to the current Club or Company at Ibrox. Dave King has never been part of the current Club or Company at Ibrox. The Club at Ibrox are not post administration nor have they ever entered an insolvency event.

If Dave King is fit and proper then it just goes to show they really are a new Club. ~ Mrs E {Ed007's Note - Entering administration doesn't have any effect on people serving as directors, look at John Boyle from Motherwell as an example of it. Whereas directors of a liquidated company in any sector are banned from holding a directorship for five years. Remember Craig Whyte 'forgot' he had been banned from being a director through liquidated companies.}

It's SFA rules isn't it? Directors of liquidated football clubs are not fit and proper persons to hold office bearer roles at football clubs for minimum five years.
Regan needs to be pressed today by the media to come out strongly for the SFA rules and make a statement putting these spiv tricks to bed.

I’m just trying to establish why Dave King is being so blase about coming back then if its so clear he can't and why so many (on social media) are hanging on every word in this article. When it was printed, it was well before the CVA had been rejected so it was not based on being a Director of a liquidated company. It seems to assume post administration (a CVA being accepted) not post RFC ceasing to exist.

Was Dave King actually a Director of the 'Company' that RFC was incorporated into, I don’t think he was the Director of a liquidated 'Company' ~ Mrs E {Ed007's Note - King joined the board in March 2000 as a non-executive director and was ousted from the board in February 2012 by Craig Whyte.}

He was a director within the preceding timeframe, clearly stipulated in the rules, to fully capture him as not fit and proper for five years.

So when the Club/Company entered the liquidation process, King was not on the Board? ~ Mrs E {Ed007's Note - It doesn't matter, he was a board member in the preceding five years before liquidation.Article 10.2 in the SFA’s Articles of Association states:

10.2 The Official Return shall include details of all officials, office-bearers, secretary, directors or members of the board of directors or the board of management or committee of such member, Team Staff, with their full designation, profession, business or occupation and full service address, and also, subject to the provisions of Article 13, full details of the interest of such member or any official, office-bearer, secretary, director or member of the board of directors or the board of management or committee of such member and of its or his associates as defined in Article 13.5 in any other member. The Board must be satisfied that any such person is fit and proper to hold such position within Association Football. The Board hereby reserves its discretion as to whether or not such a person is fit and proper, as aforesaid, after due consideration of all relevant facts which the Board has in its possession and knowledge, including the undernoted list which is acknowledged to be illustrative and not exhaustive:-

Article 10.2 (j) states:

(j) he has been a director of a club in membership of any National
Association within the 5-year period preceding such club having
undergone an insolvency event;

Of course the sfa will waive the rules again in rangers favour with regards to the fit and proper criteria.They have already waived them to allow easdale,
who was jailed for vat fraud to join the board, do we really expect anything else
from the powers that be in this CORRUPT organisation.jimbhoy.

Just checked out sly website. Must be a relief for King to hear that Sally has given his backing to the appointment. Mind you, if the car park attendant was appointed Sally would be first in line to back him. TinyTim

Ironic that a new club that was born from the dregs of an old club that cheated the tax paying public could now be appointing a chairman who was found guilty of 40 odd counts of tax cheating and was branded a liar by the judges in SA . He will fit in perfectly besides the other cheats and con men . DH

@7) didn't Longmuir get the car park attendant job?

King, Alastair Johnston, Martin Bain, Paul Murray, SDM, Craig Whyte, Gordon smith, and many others all get rightly included under these rules. They directed a football club into liquidation by being involved as directors during the preceding period.

It does not actually say they will refuse though, it states:-

'The Board hereby reserves its 'DISCRETION' as to whether or not such a person is fit and proper, as aforesaid, after due consideration of all relevant facts which the Board has in its possession and knowledge, including the undernoted list which is acknowledged to be illustrative and not exhaustive'

Did RFC not get into bother for failing to disclose Craig Whyte was banned?

If the new Club now send back their Official Return with Dave King on the Board and obviously cannot hide he was on the Board at RFC in the preceding 5yrs before an insolvency act and the SFA use their (ahem) 'discretion', what's to stop them?

Dave King was on the board but he is not a banned director (or at least I don’t think he is). ~ Mrs E

I'd say that considering what is in the rules and what the SFA Chief Executive is on record saying is conclusive proof that King won't be allowed on the board of the new club. King is barred from being on the board of directors of any football club.

Did Ogilvie not state that all person's would be looked at on merit, or word's to the effect they would be allowed back
Tambhoy

In addition to SFA criteria on fit and proper which he clearly fails, there's the corporate side, the stock exchange and companies house will have to find him fit and proper to be director of a Plc.
Given he's just pled guilty to tax corruption 41 times. And given he was a senior director of oldco RFC currently IN LIQUIDATION, it's odds on it's not going to happen.

@ Tambhoy I think that is how it is and unless you are a mass murderer, chances are the SFA will allow it particularly if there's an investment involved.

DH, you're right. Always will be full of scoundrels and that never ends well. Ach well lol ~ Mrs E

@15 As I have stated on here on numerous occasion's it's the country we live in Mrs E
Tambhoy

@9, nah, he applied but was not considered as being a fit and proper person for such a high profile job. don't forget, the car park attendant job requires someone who has some sense of direction thus precluding many of their existing and past directors. TinyTim

I don't think it's that big a deal one way or another if D King was chairman. When he was putting £20million and lost every penny that was not enough to keep the old club afloat and it would appear that he would have to put £14million in every year to keep the new club afloat. Walter Smith talked about gambling on CL money, but If Rangers ever do get back into CL they will face 3 rounds of games where they will be UNSEEDED! that is not a bet I'd take.