Celtic Banter Archive February 10 2014

10 Feb 2014 21:19:39
What bout martin jol as next manager. I know he didn't finish to well at fulham. Think he had just lost interest. I think he is a respected manager though that could atrract players.

10 Feb 2014 21:31:34
Any other manager would still be faced with the same problem 1 horse race, not enough competition, lack of money in our game, fans always wanting more

Any other manager wouldn't be tactically inept against teams with lesser budgets like Morton + Karagandy.

11 Feb 2014 16:03:48
Nonsence top of ma head Clyde and Bratislava under Strachan. Shock result san happen they happen constantly in the FA CUp

They don't happen nearly every season in both domestic cup's for big teams though, and we're Scotland's premium brand. Lennon has won 2/9 domestic cup campaigns, here's his other performances:

* 0-2 v Ross Co in the 2009-10 Scottish Cup semi final.
* 1-2 v Deadco in the 2010-11 League Cup final.
* 0-1 v Killie in the 2011-12 League Cup final.
* 1-2 v Hearts in the 2011-12 Scottish Cup semi final.
* 2-3 v St Mirren in the 2012-13 League Cup semi final.
* 0-1 v Morton in the 2013-14 League Cup 3rd round.
* 1-2 v Aberdeen in the 2013-14 Scottish Cup 5th round.

11 Feb 2014 19:11:51
Ross county he was only a caretaker manager, the Morton game is the only team outside our top division . So it happens every season that teams get knocked out of cups in the same league as them.

Caretaker or permanent manager, he was still responsible for the result as he was employed to lift the players until the end of the season and win the Scottish Cup - he failed in doing so.

12 Feb 2014 10:51:03
Don't know about your work but if the guy above. Me is only temporary in charge he doesn't get respected or listened to the same as ma boss would

10 Feb 2014 15:02:45
No manager can make the mistakes lenny is making on purpose, I mean the guy has been in the football world for a very long time! Anyone else think he might be doing this to force peters hand into signing the players lenny wants? It's just absurd that a man off that much experience can be so tacticly inept, when we have all seen what he is capable off. I'm maybe grasping at straws but it just doesn't make any sense. Mattews for Fisher? Was completely ludicrous I mean he just can't be that bad of a manager. Every game this season I have raised an eye brow at some of his selections. Anyway sorry guys I'd love to know some of your opinions. I agree that Sammy has to go, I love the guy but he should be playing for the reserves at the very most atm. My mind isn't made up, we have a good team but lenny won't give some extremely decent players a chance. Biton, rogic, pukki (used correctly) and even balde not to mention all of the other exciting little players we have out on loan. I want to see some of these guys given the chance. I mean the bhoy McGregor should be pushing for a starting place with us next season but lenny wants to sell him? I'm just so confused at some of these decisions.

Darrenbhoy

10 Feb 2014 15:29:27
Breaks ma heart to say it but think Lennon would be aswell going just now or at end of season a can't keep defending him all the time. His cup games for celtic have been p*ss poor to be nice. Not including CL in that because a don't think to many managers would do any better a think some expect far to much in that tournament. League he is doing what he has to. But with the manky mob not here he should be cementing our domination all over the Scottish game .
Although a say this some people need to remember he is a legend and has put up with some sh*t for our club so maybe lay off giving him abuse dnt think it's warranted .
Not aimed at any1 in particular

Hoping to see some of the young guys out on loan back in the Summer.

Not sure if Neil Lennon will be here or not but would definitely like to see more experience in our Management somewhere. This complacency should have been dealt with last season but instead it's been allowed to get worse to the point of embarrassment.

I'm not saying Celtic have a God given right to win every match but more often than not in one off Cup games, we are turning up as if this is the case and the opposition are just going to let us win. Saturday we score in 8 minutes and Celtic players arrogantly thought that was enough to frighten Aberdeen.

Neil Lennon has put up with more off field garbage and distraction than any other Celtic manager in my lifetime.
The problem is the empathy/sympathy of supporters can be shoved to the back of their minds when on-field matters cause concern and unrest.
In a time we are expected to win every trophy more than any other Celtic team due to us having no serious rival - we have repeatedly come up short in Cup competitions over the period of Lennon's tenure.
The very disappointing CL campaign, coupled with the shock exit to Morton in the League cup was bad enough. The unbeaten run and run away lead in the league was better, but then we go and lose our most important game, at home for ages and give up our cup.

There is also the possibility of Sevco, by virtue of easy home ties and 'other forces' making it to the final and that would really blemish Lenny's record.
My continued problem with Celtic has been the unprepared and misguided management team who appear to be no help at all to Lennon in a tactical or motivational sense and quite often resemble the three wise monkeys when we need inspiration or wisdom.

I agree with others that NL will go at the end of the season and it will be for the benefit of manager and club.
He will leave with thanks and the warm affection of Celtic supporters;
before his Celtic reputation and ilk begins to fade and decline.

I also agree with Mrs E that we should ensure these young guys like Watt. McGeough and Rogic should not be allowed to disappear and be given a proper chance to wear the Hoops.

JJ

@mrs e I agree about youngsters getting valuable game time, its working wonders for Tony Watt. Lennon has signed a substantial amount of youngsters in his reign as manager, there's no point if they don't get game time to develop. It amazes me though how quick lennon was at start of reign to slate mowbray for investing in youth for future, when he has done the same since go.

Im a great believer in, you have to get off the field sorted first before you can progress. Its without a doubt time for a change. The only person who can make this happen is Lawell, cause Lennon won't walk.

@junglejim we have shown him empathy/sympathy and if your going down road of this being a contributing factor to performances, then for me it shows lennon upto be unprofessional. Why? Cause he is putting his pride before what's best for club IF this is the case

DN30; What I'm saying is the support have been supportive and patient, but there is a limit.

JJ

10 Feb 2014 12:53:28
A wee bit off the doom and gloom but I was wondering everyone's thoughts on twitter and social media in general.

It does seem to be first with the news and gossip (factual or otherwise). I don't know if its my age but I still struggle a bit to understand some views and I do try to be open-minded, honest.

Like a lot a Celtic fans I live in the Glasgow/ South Lanarkshire area, my point being some of the stuff I see on twitter etc you would not get away with saying it face to face with someone who isn't a Celtic fan or you do need to explain your point further if you don't want to be laughed at! The other football fan is standing in front of you totally and completely uncensored, they feel the same way about their Club as we do about Celtic and will defend them to the hilt.

I'm not having a go and love the way the Internet can keep fans from all around the world in contact, it's just sometimes I think if you are not actually speaking to others involved in Scottish football you can get a romantic version of what the reality is of supporting a team here.

Celtic are a huge Club and I would argue all day and night with anyone who said otherwise but we are serverly hindered by where we play. At this moment in time, we must be Scottish football's biggest asset but what does this really mean? ( I don't have the answer and I'm looking for suggestions).

I've seem some suggestions of a foreign Manager - who do you mean, just anyone as long as we can't pronounce their name?

Play free flowing attacking football - all football fans want to see this, there's a small matter of the opposition stopping this and getting in your face. Plan B?

Neil Lennon had fans not happy about the way we played against Barcelona last season, defensively - what planet are you on lol 6-1 and that was without Messi. This is sadly where we are and have been for a long time.

I know the end of my last sentence has smarty pants saying 'oh I don't accept that and ask questions' - aw that's nice, what are the questions? Why are we not like Real Madrid?

Real Madrid hawk their brand worldwide, they take part in friendlies all over the world and run up debts enough to feed a third world country (as do a lot of these elite Clubs) - who moans about the PLC? Aw that's right Celtic fans on twitter etc and at wee meetings.

Peter Lawwell's on about 1million a year and Scott Brown's on about 25k a week, these kind of wages have been the case for years - twitter etc has made it an issue at Celtic, why?

You either support a professional football Club who wants to play in competitions like the Champions Leage which means spending obscene amounts of money or you don't but contradicting yourself and living in some romantic version of Scottish football isn't helping. Money in football is a worldwide problem that every football fans hates with a passion but some of our fans think its only a Celtic problem?

Everyone's entitled to their opinion though, well until you are BLOCKED ha!

I'd don't have Twitter or any other thing I've never heard of and the sun still comes up in my world. Have no interest in them but anyone abusing them should be dealt with through the authorities.

There's plenty abuse it Joe.

Suppose you're not missing much with twitter, seems just full of folk who are bored - including me at times!

I just find some of their views quite unrealistic and there's no way they would say half of what they tweet face to face.

Twitter depends on who you follow and what kind of a person you are. Like everything great, you wait till the idiots to waste it!

GJ I follow 170 things/folk from football fans and football Clubs (mostly Celtic and Liverpool) to vampires and the latest fitness/diet. There's also some family and friends.

170 is the most I have ever got up to, I must be getting more tolerant my old age.

There are defo some roasters!

Mrs e when people suggest a foreign manager it's because sometimes you need to look at things from a different angle ex celts as managers can get too involved in pleasing sections of the support rather than having their own vision. It's nothing to do with a name you can't pronounce it's about finding someone who can lay down a style of play that can be embraced rather than what we have just now which could regularly be classed as boring especially at home matches in spfl. It would also help to get a coach who sanctions signings then actually uses them.

No I get that part Jim, I just need more information and like who?

Who have our best Managers been, Jock Stein was from Hamilton.

Recent times have been Maybe Martin O'Neill - a treble and European final?

I know a lot of fans had an issue with Neil Lennon going over to the Green Brigade with his first SPL trophy as a Manager, that did not turn out well :-/

Its only coincidence foreign managers are being mentioned and its down to their achievement, management skills and what they can bring to the club. Their nationality is irrelevant.

10 Feb 2014 10:12:50
So I see your great manager is under flak for yet another cup defeat.
I posted last week that Lennon was a poor manager and a poor tactician and you all shot me down, guess what I was right then and I am right now.
Our manager Ally with a tenth of your budget has guided us to a league title this season, Ramsden cup and now we will also win Scottish cup with our superior squad and Ally's tactical nouse. A Treble your club Celtic would be envious of.
I await the usual insults, but you all know I am right, celtic are a poor team and Lennon is a poor, poor manager.

Unless I am very much mistaken you have won hee haw so far. With the impending Administration and the release of the over paid journeymen your master tactician has brought in I wouldn't be too sure of even getting promotion this year. Saturday was poor from Celtic but please do not confuse one bad performance with a bad team. You cannot begin to imagine how much we all wanted to play your master tactician in his own backyard but I suppose we will have to wait another few years until you manage to put together a cup run again that gets you past the 3rd round.

When your winning in the top flight then come back and post your drivel

You're*

10 Feb 2014 12:50:57
Wee fud doing what he does best spouting p1sh

You've not even played a Championship team yet, never mind a Premiership team so just settle ya f*d!

Lol bud av bn on the sevco sight and your 1 of the ones sniping at salary mcoist so.get your facts straight u must be smoking bud your that daft honestly got to.love people like you your a dieing bread a fot yous crocked with the old co but there's still a few around there to be admired really least if yous win it yous will go straight into europe oh wait

@wee bud sevco will also soon be a thing of the past and ibrokes will soon be known as Aldis.

Fat Sally has cheated by spending over budget to get as far as he has, but the walls are caving in

You are lot talk pish and are obsessed. Sheer arrogance having cheek to question why celtic park was chosen for cup tie. Yer pitch looks like a landfill and also sevco has embarrassed the face of scottish football wae yer bigotted rants and showing absolutely no morality ripping aff newspaper shop. Why should ye get extra cash?

10 Feb 2014 03:26:02
I know most are hurting from the loss in the cup, strange old game given the previous run, hmm Samaras! Spot on pass for Stokes goal but not a lot more. BUT. as hard as it is to accept, this is good for our game in Scotland, all this rubbish about being in decline etc. Aberdeen are going well and good on them I say. The more competition the better the league will be as a spectacle, the more we will need to spend to stay on top, more interest from TV and hopefully higher revenue streams for premier clubs. WE NEED competition and strong clubs. Gutted to be out cup but can see bigger picture and as much as I love my team it would be embarrassing to win every single time. That nervousness before a game, the doubts etc all make the experience all the better for me at least.
On a lighter, cheer you up kind of note, the club over in Govan are now planning for Europe. They're going to come to Celtic Park and win the cup "at timmy towers". How much they'll love it, just love it. But hang on a sec', is there not some pesky rule about accounts to worry about, having at least 3 years or some tosh. Ah! it's ok because the SFA will appeal on their behalf. So not only are they a shoe in for the cup, but UEFA will breach their own rules to let them in. after all they are the new people. Prepare for melt down when none of this comes to pass lol. Hail Hail Scott

So Scott, to analyse what you've just said:

You're happy to accept the mediocrity in standards of Celtic FC on a domestic level as it makes the league more competitive, as long as we're still better off than some dead club we've never played before + making our cameo "it's the taking part that counts" European football appearance?

Catch a grip, eh?! There's no excuses for what's happened. The sheer audacity of our support to accept this severe downgrade in expectations turns my stomach!

So Hamitonboy, you claim to have analysed my post and come to YOUR conclusions. Where do I accept mediocrity? I can accept losing a game of football. I also would like to see a stronger league because that will lead to us spending money to stay out in front, think I said that, oh wait I did. I'll leave the moaning to you though, because christ knows you are good at it. Mentioned nothing about being better off than the other team, simply how they now believe they will win cup and play in Europe. Severe downgrade in expectations! WTF you on about? All I said was it would be embarrassing to win every single time. Are you so blind you can't see what's good for all Scottish clubs? How we can get more people back in the ground. Especially our own. It creates interest. Catch a grip? Grow up and see what's good for ALL scottish. Learn to analyse before criticising. Turn your stomach, away you go and do a stint on stage ya wee drama queen.

I don't care about other Scottish clubs, I care about Celtic ONLY. Celtic have the resources available to NOT get embarressed in Europe or domestic cups, yet have failed to do so. The one off was last season in the CL, where we then didn't even bother turning up in the Last 16. Our board need to start standing up for their fans against the nanny state Government and SS-style Police Scotland if they wish to ramp up attendances again. They also need to realise that in any business model you have to speculate to accumulate. Too often they hold back from speculating because they feel the risk is too high, in business you have to take risks. It's possible to minimalise the risk by careful planning and budgeting - I would've thought the short term plan of buying young, cheap players then developing them and selling on for profit is so we can increase our budget and buy better quality after a few years. Is that not what Ajax, Porto, etc have done?